problem with audio routing in registered version

[Steviebone]

After two weeks of testing with your trial version I decided to take the plunge and purchase a copy of your Pro version. I installed a new copy of the program on my production machine then downloaded the latest version from your web site. After installing the latest version from your web site the welcome screen said trial expired enter license information. So even though the trial version had not been installed on this machine but for a few hours I ignored this prompt and entered the license information sent to me in my purchase e-mail. The program starts normally and appears to function.

Unfortunately, I cannot get audio from one plug-in to another in a chain. In other words if I load an instrument in the first slot of a rack followed by one or more effects plug-ins, although the meter shows output there is no input getting to any of the subsequent plug-ins in the chain. Likewise I cannot get output from one rack to another.

I went back to my test machine that was running the trial with 11 days to go and double checked these functions there. On this machine the audio passes from the instrument output directly to the next plug-in in the rack chain as would be expected.

I spent several hours comparing the settings of both programs, installing, uninstalling and so forth. I checked for updates. I created a small directory of plug-ins just to eliminate the possibility of a corrupted plug-in being the cause. In this set up there is only to plug-ins scanned in the path and instrument and in effect. However, no matter what I do I cannot make audio leave the instrument and show up at the input of the subsequent plug-in in the chain in the same rack or get audio to leave one rack and route to another where there is another effect.

After several installs and uninstalls, and carefully comparing the configuration of both the trial and registered version I can see no difference. However I have yet to make the registered copy pass audio correctly through the chain.

I'm sure this is just me being stupid. Any ideas as to what may be causing my problem?

Thank you in advance for your support.

[TiUser]

...I don't know if the following suggestions are stupid... I just put them here...

Maybe trying some changes in the options dialoge - diagnostics tab - diagnostigs settings dialoge could help finding the issue.

Try to enable/disable the SSE options - any difference?

Maybe "strict conformance to plugins reported VST version" option may change something too.

Again - just another idea that came to my mind.

Your issue report sounds really strange...

[Steviebone]

I compared all of the options from both computers and could see no difference in settings. I viewed some of the logs and compared them as well but nothing struck out at me.

I did some more experimentation however routing one rack to another. On the machine running the trial version simply changing the output of one rack containing the VSTI from "output" to the rack where the effects were loaded automatically routed the output as expected. On the production machine however even though there was meter activity on both racks there was still no signal getting to the input of the second rack.

So I went to the second rack containing the effects, selected the inputs of it and pointed them to the outputs of the first rack. This did the trick.

What's more, the effects rack was then able to pass audio from plug-in to plug-in down the chain as I added additional affects to the rack. Back on the first rack containing the instrument, however, no audio passes from the instrument output to the next plug-in in the chain. And merely selecting the FX rack at the output was not sufficient to get the audio into the input of the first effect on the effects rack.

I suppose this is a workaround I could live with if I had to but I still don't understand the difference in the behavior between the two systems. And if an effect is going to be used with just one instrument it seems redundant to have to create another rack just to get the audio to pass through the chain.

Also, it seems confusing to me how I would allow a rack of FX configured in this manner to share inputs with numerous instruments at one time. Time to dig out the manual and read some more, and experiment some more.

Any input or suggestions would be welcome. Thank you.

[Steviebone]

When in doubt, read the owner's manual

"To adjust the audio channels of a plugin, from the plugin slot's Tools drop down menu select"

Okay I get it. I'll admit that the input/output "pin" configuration is less than intuitive at first, albeit a most powerful concept, and ultimately better than patch cords. What was throwing me off was the fact that the trial machine was on a much simpler audio interface than the production one so it just so happened that the pins in the Rack were all defaulting to the same 2 pins therefore making individual pin assignment under the tools of each plug-in unnecessary. (the default worked) it was a fluke. ha

Once I figured this out and began to mess with the input output routing used on both the rack level as well as the individual plug-in level using the tools submenu function it all made sense. It takes a little effort to set up but this gives maximum flexibility for how signals can be routed.

Yeah!

[TiUser]

...that's often with Cantabile, powerful but hard to figure out some stuff that is hidden under the hood.

I hope Brad will release Cantabile 3 anytime...
...adding some easier to handle additional gui things!

BTW: what does "PAN" in a VSTi slot exactly do with stereo or especially multi out plugins? Wouldn't it be more consequent to pan each output channel individually rather than having just one "global" slider?