Finally tried the RP-Verb demo - it can actually be as smooth as my LXP bundle. amazing

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[covalent]

Epicverb is great, but again has a big CPU hit.

Thanks for mentioning that one. What a nice find. Even nicer that it's free! (thanks to the dev!)

Has a wonderfully lush sound. But yeah, a bit of a CPU hit. I think I can live with that though, as I try to keep reverb use to a minimum.

Thanks again.

[sureno]

oh yeah that buffer thing i also find go into the - bars press play let it all play out then press enter to go to zero, the buffer should be empty, my experience is that its a logic thing as it happens with logics plugs too

[Sequent]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Thanks!

The Audio Damage items are all priced low enough that I'm almost willing to take a chance on stuff.

Well, they do have an unconditional money back guarantee, so while it may not be quite as convenient as a demo there's not much risk-taking involved.

[Sequent]

On the blank bars at the beginning fix for Logic... if you're releasing stuff for online release you probably want that silence in there anyway. It seems some of the serivces tend to truncate if there isn't enough padding front and back. I think five bars is what I put in anyway as a matter of course... would have to double-check that though.

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[sureno]

but it wont be silent it will be reverb wash and delay tails! LOL

before you bounce empty the buffer by playing negative bars till it cant be heard then press "enter" to bring it back to 0, should work

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[Stomper]

I think the problem with RP is the timing of it's release.

For me, it is the use of Syncrosoft....

If the protection system was changed, I would be buying their products like I did a few years back....

You may be right. I did not know that syncro was involved. Not an issue for me as a Cubase user, but I know a lot of others are not big fans.

Are the RP synths also syncro protected?

yes all syncro.

i HATE syncrosoft, particularly on mac, but let's give RP credit.. they provide you with TWO activation codes, and you don't need an actual DONGLE.. they use the software version by option..

so at least they are flexible...

I think also its because of syncro.
but i dont understand why really, not when they offer a software version and you dont have the risk of the dongle breaking or getting lost.
maybe ppl dont know about that option (?)

[audiosabre]

Forgive me for staying on topic, but I've finally tried the RP-verb demo! I tried it with TruePianos. That is the usual way I test reverbs.

My initial thoughts are that I'm impressed; I love the tone of the verb. Once I'd started going through the presets it went a little bit downhill for me. It feels a little restricted in what it can do. I feel it's better suited as a module (FX) on a synth or other vst, but as a standalone unit, I just don't get it. I'll give it a little more time and some different sorts of material.

In conclusion, the tone and tails of the reverb are quality, real quality. But the gimmicky modulated aspects aren't really desirable to me in a reverb. It just feels too limited to replace AAR if i'm being totally honest (especially after the AAR update = new algos), I require some versatility from a go to verb. However, what it does, it does really well. If I hadn't discovered AAR I might have gone for this.

I'll give it another whirl in my studio when I get the time. Then I'll be able to make a proper judgement. From my initial (standard) reverb test, it's scored high on sound, but low on versatility.

PS, anyone rate TAL reverb? I thought the tone of that was real good for a freebie. The volume control needs reworking (when mixing dry/wet the volume really fluctuates, it should be *almost* even), but it's a pretty nifty, smooth plate.

Happy debating,

John

[koolkeys]

In conclusion, the tone and tails of the reverb are quality, real quality. But the gimmicky modulated aspects aren't really desirable to me in a reverb. It just feels too limited to replace AAR if i'm being totally honest (especially after the AAR update = new algos), I require some versatility from a go to verb. However, what it does, it does really well. If I hadn't discovered AAR I might have gone for this.

Just curious, but may I ask what AAR does that you feel is missing from RP Verb? I'm not debating that RP Verb has everything or doesn't. I honestly don't know as I haven't tried AAR in a long time. So I'm just curious, outside of perhaps different algorithms(in which case, RP Verb has some that AAR won't have as well).

Brent

[audiosabre]

A better range of distinctive tones & more control. This is mostly based on RP-verbs presets, though I did a small amount of tweaking, just to get a feel for the controls.

I don't feel that AAR is as smooth as RP verb. I'll give that to RP. But I do feel that AAR offers more tones and sounds that I can clearly distinguish from each other, courtesy of its algos (sorry, I'm going against you here [you said besides algos], but I really do feel it's the algos that give it it's range). When I changed the algo in RP-verb half of the time there was a negligable difference. That's probably why there's groups of algos in RP-verb instead of entirely different algos like those in AAR. I don't feel subtle changes like this are suitable for a reverb's algos, the subtlety is better controlled with fine tuning rather than algos. In other words, it wasn't very useful to me, it felt a bit gimmicky. However, my workflow could have been unfruitful, I'll accept that if it is the case. I'm not going to pretend I know it all. A good reason I need some more time with it, a month more.

Like I said I'll give it more time and some airtime on my monitors. I've eaten my words on more than a few occasions, so I could come back saying this is the best reverb ever created by mankind. Who knows?

To be honest, if RP had the (perceptable) range that AAR does, I think it would be better, much better than AAR. As it is, I've come away thinking it's a bit of a one trick pony. Mind you; a very, very good one trick pony (hence would be great as a module). Just feels a bit unfinished to me, if you catch my drift. The way I see it, AAR is more of a 'reverb designer' and RP-verb a 'reverb effect'.

It does sound as good as it looks though, glad that's the case

John

[eduardo_b]

I don't feel that AAR is as smooth as RP verb. I'll give that to RP. But I do feel that AAR offers more tones and sounds that I can clearly distinguish from each other, courtesy of its algos (sorry, I'm going against you here [you said besides algos], but I really do feel it's the algos that give it it's range).

These types of analysis invariably cause me to look at the larger picture. Other than to those who are interested in the small to minute variances among these and similar plugs (full disclosure, I have AAR, among others), the actual results in mixes and to the ears of listeners are really insignificant in difference. At light to modest settings there are ranges of similarities when listening to music regardless of which reverb is used. I'm not saying there are no differences, but I am saying they are unknowable to listeners and not likely to have them muttering about the crap reverb.

What I notice is that the angst over these things leads many lurkers to assume they are only going to be successful if they choose the absolutely right plug, when in fact it's not going to matter nearly as much as it seems it might. It's a rather poorly coded reverb that can't be made to work nicely...IMO. Just noting that these discussions, which are highly subjective and subject to personal taste in sound characteristics, should be read within a larger reference point that is far more practical and pragmatic. The variables in listening systems/devices and environments alone will alter the sound (and thus reverb) the mixer spent so much time and effort "perfecting."

[koolkeys]

A better range of distinctive tones & more control. This is mostly based on RP-verbs presets, though I did a small amount of tweaking, just to get a feel for the controls.

I don't know about that. RP Verb has quite a bit of control, especially over the routing of the various reflections and the envelope of the sound. I'm not talking about just how long it takes to decay, but how it reacts to the source material, how it builds and falls, etc. It's actually quite deep. Does it have MORE control than AAR? I don't know, I haven't counted controls or anything. But it DOES have DIFFERENT control over the sound.

I don't feel that AAR is as smooth as RP verb. I'll give that to RP. But I do feel that AAR offers more tones and sounds that I can clearly distinguish from each other, courtesy of its algos (sorry, I'm going against you here [you said besides algos], but I really do feel it's the algos that give it it's range).

Some of RP Verb's algos are very subtle in their differences, but some are not. Also, the algos really can shine depending on how you route them within the plug-in. It's actually a very deep plug-in, but takes a little time to fully understand everything since it does handle reflections differently than other verbs.

Like I said I'll give it more time and some airtime on my monitors. I've eaten my words on more than a few occasions, so I could come back saying this is the best reverb ever created by mankind. Who knows?

And it may not be. I won't say that it's going to come out on top for you or anyone else. It's not like I use only one reverb either. Everyone works differently and appreciates different aspects of the sounds that plug-ins make. I do think that to really appreciate RP Verb, you gotta dig in to some of it's deeper features, which to be honest, aren't explained super well.

To be honest, if RP had the (perceptable) range that AAR does, I think it would be better, much better than AAR. As it is, I've come away thinking it's a bit of a one trick pony. Mind you; a very, very good one trick pony (hence would be great as a module). Just feels a bit unfinished to me, if you catch my drift. The way I see it, AAR is more of a 'reverb designer' and RP-verb a 'reverb effect'.

It's ironic, and it goes to show you just how different people are. But I never walked away from AAR thinking it was a tweaker's reverb or that it was really for designing your own space. Ariesverb is what I would consider a "space designer". I put AAR and RB Verb in similar, but also different categories. I think AAR isn't as good at REAL spaces as it is at long, luscious, ambient spaces, and I think it shines more on non-acoustic sources. I think RP Verb is more traditional in it's sound scope(though it allows completely unrealistic spaces and effects that go beyond traditional verb), and better on acoustic material, especially vocals and drums.

I was never blown away by AAR in the times I tried it. It wasn't the sound that I thought was bad, it was how it worked with my own music, which is more acoustic and orchestral type of stuff. I did, however, feel that if I wanted to create a soundscape, AAR would be a great and maybe even the best option. I've heard many people say this before about AAR, how it's not necessarily the best for acoustic sound sources.

So maybe it comes down to the types of music we do? Or just different tastes. Which is obviously cool with me. I may try AAR again sometime, just for kicks. Not that I need another verb though. I've got way too many as it is!

Brent

[JeffSanders]

I make dark and organic acoustic music, and find AAR to be bad ass. Nothing compares to it for me. And if you haven't tried it since the 1.5 update, do yourself a favor and try it again.

It's better at small spaces imho - and the mystical spaces it does so well sound even better to me...and Brok also tweaked out some superb presets for it.