KVR Audio

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:05 am

JeffSanders wrote:I make dark and organic acoustic music, and find AAR to be bad ass. Nothing compares to it for me. And if you haven't tried it since the 1.5 update, do yourself a favor and try it again.

It's better at small spaces imho - and the mystical spaces it does so well sound even better to me...and Brok also tweaked out some superb presets for it.

I will try it again, though I don't remember which version was the last that I tried. I know for sure that it definitely wasn't my favorite for small spaces, and didn't do anything for me on vocals. Not that it CAN'T sound good, but it sure didn't stand out to me as special in that area. It DID stand out for me as an ambient verb, and I know this is something I've heard from others as well(obviously, not everyone will share the same opinion, but at least I know I'm not totally crazy!).

You mentioned the words "dark" and "organic", which isn't the type of stuff I do. I would almost put that into the ambient category though. There are different types of "acoustic" music, of course. So the lines are a bit blurred. I do mostly pop-rock/orchestral/inspirational/etc., or whatever you call it. Singer/songwriter type of stuff as well. So very different than what you do, which may be why it works better for you?

Of course, there is always the case where some things just click better than others with some people.

I'll try it again shortly, since I wouldn't mind doing some side by sides anyways. But I don't know if my system will let the demo be installed again or not. Did they reset the demo time limit(or whatever the limitations are) with a newer version?

Brent

JeffSanders · Post by **JeffSanders** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:18 am

I'm not sure, Brent. But I know they'll reset it for you if you ask.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:21 am

JeffSanders wrote:I'm not sure, Brent. But I know they'll reset it for you if you ask.

I'll check it out soon. Not because I really need another reverb. I definitely don't! But because I do love reverb, and I like to know what is out there and how far things have come along.

Brent

el-bo (formerly ebow) · Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:25 am

tried RP demo...

hmmm...shame they didn't use the preset 'manager' like in predator....huge oversight

also, i didn't spend much time but as a playable effect it is a little annoying that the presets al load up 100% wet...will try again today...

but also tried out aether...had never heard of this.....unbelievably beautiful....this stole my evening....a living , breathing thing......i need a fcuckin' job

sureno · Post by **sureno** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:46 am

ebow wrote:tried RP demo...

hmmm...shame they didn't use the preset 'manager' like in predator....huge oversight

also, i didn't spend much time but as a playable effect it is a little annoying that the presets al load up 100% wet...will try again today...

but also tried out aether...had never heard of this.....unbelievably beautiful....this stole my evening....a living , breathing thing......i need a fcuckin' job

i just had a sex wee, just listened to the Aether demos

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:53 am

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sureno · Post by **sureno** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:57 am

I went and listened to the audio demo's they had, il actually demo when i roll out of bed some time today

audiosabre · Post by **audiosabre** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:19 pm

I won't lie to you. I have to agree it's totally subjective and whatever works for me might not work for you. If I thought like this all the time, posting my opinion on forums like this would be a pointless endeavor. I'm here to have fun and share my experiences, whether people agree or disagree. C'est la vie, my friends.

Just to reiterate my opinion; RP-Verb is good, but I personally feel that it is less versatile than AAR, especially since the 3 new algos were added. This is for both electronic and acoustic material. I don't see AAR as being limited to certain material, even though I've heard that said on these forums in the past. RP-Verb is sweet but I'd value it more towards $100 from my personal experience with it. That's my opinion

The reverb designer/reverb effect comment was just another way to express that one is more versatile than the other. For instance when I change an algo in AAR I know it's a different algo altogether, not an alternate "patch" of the same algo.

Have fun. Again, just my opinion

John

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:00 pm

Wow, this is really is quite a lush reverb.

I agree that it's not as versatile as Aether (and probably not as versatile as AAR either), but it sure does what it does very well.

I can hear the differences between the 4 main space types, but I can't really hear any difference between the subtypes in each category.

None the less, it's a beauty reverb and very lush, and you can get pretty extreme chorus like modulations out of it!

sureno · Post by **sureno** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:05 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:Wow, this is really is quite a lush reverb.

I agree that it's not as versatile as Aether (and probably not as versatile as AAR either), but it sure does what it does very well.

I can hear the differences between the 4 main space types, but I can't really hear any difference between the subtypes in each category.

None the less, it's a beauty reverb and very lush, and you can get pretty extreme chorus like modulations out of it!

if you where to decide between RP and Aether, which would it be and why?

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:11 pm

Can I ask again, out of pure curiosity(since I don't remember all the specifics of AAR) what it is that AAR does that RP doesn't outside of different algos? I really am genuinely curious since I won't have time to try the demo for a week or so.

Also, I didn't say that AAR couldn't be used effectively on acoustic sources, but that's just not where it shines, IMO. It's not as well suited for that as it is for more ambient work that needs the overly dense reverb sound.

Obviously, RP verb, while shining on acoustic sources for me, can still be used for ambient work as well. It just has a slightly different sound in those cases.

I go back to the two having very different ways of working, and they do. They aren't really very much alike in terms of how you get the sounds you are after.

Brent

eduardo_b · Post by **eduardo_b** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:16 pm

koolkeys wrote:I go back to the two having very different ways of working, and they do. They aren't really very much alike in terms of how you get the sounds you are after.

Brent

So, if I follow you on this, it's the workflows more than the inherent qualities of the two reverbs that determines how they end up affecting the music?

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:18 pm

sureno wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:Wow, this is really is quite a lush reverb.

I agree that it's not as versatile as Aether (and probably not as versatile as AAR either), but it sure does what it does very well.

I can hear the differences between the 4 main space types, but I can't really hear any difference between the subtypes in each category.

None the less, it's a beauty reverb and very lush, and you can get pretty extreme chorus like modulations out of it!
if you where to decide between RP and Aether, which would it be and why?

Would totally depend on the price. I bought Aether in a group buy, so 125 was worth it. I personally wouldn't spend more than 150 on a reverb, but that's just me, so I was happy about getting Aether. To many it would be worth full price. And it depends what you already have.

I already have Breverb audiomidi edition (5 bucks, can't recommend that enough!), which I love for the rooms/plates and is so low on cpu that you can use it on lots of individual tracks. Then also have Rayspace and Kore/Reaktor reverbs which are nice. I felt Aether had something the others didn't.

So I'd still go with Aether, but that's at the group buy price.

I'm still going to consider RP-Verb for a while, mainly for those big lush halls and ambiences, but I feel that with Aether, Kore and reaktor reverbs, and Rayspace, I'm not doing too bad for that kind of thing. If I didn't already have Aether, I'd perhaps buy RP-Verb due to cost.

sureno · Post by **sureno** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:24 pm

I seem to be finding RP better on drums but Aether has some nice sounding luscious effect on synths but then so does RP but just differently

el-bo (formerly ebow) · Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:33 am

spent time with RP yesterday

the preset manager i refer to is where the whole screen becomes a browser , as in predator (and aether)...i haven't stumbled across this yet...makes preset surfing a lot more fun...aether handles this especially well by incorporating wet/dry.mix/er controls into the browser page....love it

the dry/wet thing is not the biggest thing

i actually got some great stuff tweaking the RP last night...will try to use as a send

but going back to aether i found many more enjoyable stuff.....they tails seem to 'live' more.......

i'm really after a reverb to play and sound design with.......my send fx are covered pretty well with logic's 'space designer' which i love as a 'drop and leave' effect....but tweaking any more than a couple of things is just not gonna happen due to the 'convoluted' need to load each time any change is made

with that in mind i enjoyed tweaking aether much more......the 'mystical' presets are resppnsible for near dehydration from drooling everywhere...then there's the cleanup from all the sex wee (lol sureno)

they are really close though.....but for sound design, playability, gui, tweakability, preset management the winner still seems to be aether......

but then i haven't tried EOS yet

Finally tried the RP-Verb demo - it can actually be as smooth as my LXP bundle. amazing