Spectrasonics Trilian...(Omnisphere v.1.1 now out with native x64 support!)

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

- I don't remember hearing it on the vast majority of music I've ever heard.

the 'key' statement

but you aren't allowing for the fact that others have

just to be clear...any bass played by human hand will have variation and dynamics

and it is these 'real' instruments that have the huge sample, and larger memory load

[sazb30]

Well I'm honestly just plain confused about how anyone can watch those videos (and listen to Dr. Wu's fantastic demos) and think Trilian is anything other than awesome. Come on Sonkeysankey, you cannot be serious!!!!! I was drooling all over my desk when I watched those vids! I'm not a fanboy (not a boy at all in fact) or basshead pro... I'm just a hobbyist musician with a pair of ears who LOVED what I was hearing and seeing.

Surely, the wonderful sound of that acoustic bass (and the chapman stick, and many others)is the direct result of the detailed sampling and programming of the instrument (combined with Eric's keyboard skills of course!!). How on earth could a 1mb bass patch with no articulations / round robins / fret noise etc etc come close to that realism, sound quality and playability??? You should ask all the other talented sample library developers out there (Orange Tree, Pettinhouse, Scarbee etc) why they waste so much time and effort undertaking detailed articulation sampling and scripting...

I'm no expert but I think the equation is simple here... the more detailed the sampling, the more realistic the instrument.

Yeah, Trilian needs resources, but come on... think about the rate at which computer specs are multiplying. It makes perfect sense to me that developers should be working at the top-end of what computers are capable of, and I only have a lowly 32bit OS and 4gb of ram (less than 3 visible)!! I'm happy to render and freeze in any case... it's a small price to pay for access to such quality sounds in my music, and the enjoyment of using Spectrasonics inspirational instruments.

Hmmm... I'm beginning to sound like a fangirl now, so I'd better stop there... except to say to Eric and all at Spectrasonics, thanks for doing what you do. Most of us appreciate having your instruments in our lives !!

[Lux Delux]

Oh the anger It's like watching Vin Diesel trying to make an expression.

[Sascha Franck]

There was nothing on Dr Wu's track that you could HEAR, that couldn't have been done with a 1MB bass sample. That is nothing against Dr Wu's musical talents, just a statement of fact.

A statement of the fact that you are an idiot.

Hear hear.
It's indeed rather mindblowing how much BS Mr. sonkeysankey is posting in this thread.

Personally, I find the system requirements of Trillian to be rather enormous, too, but well, coming from Spectrasonics, I just *know* there's a reason for it.
Just so that nobody gets me wrong, I am no Spectrasonics fanboy at all (heck, atm I don't own a single of their instruments, for whatever strange reasons...), plus, I also happen to think that the fine art of sampling is somewhat getting lost all around - but the latter certainly isn't true with Spectrasonics' products. One may like them or not, one may not need them, etc. But Eric most defenitely is a true master of sampling, super accurate sample tuning (and mangling), playable instrument creation and all that. Having said that, I think the system requirements are a result of Spectrasonics' search for perfection.

One question, though: Do both Omnisphere and Trillian indeed not utilize disk streaming? That'd be rather strange to me, now that just about any sampler supports it...

- Sascha

[Captain]

One question, though: Do both Omnisphere and Trillian indeed not utilize disk streaming? That'd be rather strange to me, now that just about any sampler supports it...

Yes they do, as stated on their product pages, and multiple times in this very thread.

[jackmazzotti]

you have to wonder where some of these posters come from
get some ears or get a life or something

all i can say is the synth demos i heard on those excellent videos were amazing
some of them were jaw droppers
i can wait to load them into omnisphere

hbo should do a full blown documentary on eric and spectrasonics

[Sascha Franck]

Yes they do, as stated on their product pages, and multiple times in this very thread.

Ok, must've missed that then. With that cleared, I really fail to see a reason for quite some of the complaints raised. Judging by the stuff I've listened to so far, all I can say is that if I needed a well sorted bass library, Trillian would be my absolute first choice.

- Sascha

[yairhol]

Just to add about the "fanboy" argument that's been raised here:
I don't know of many who are blindly fanboys of Spectrasonics (or any other company). Rather (speaking for myself) since I know what this company is capable of we I am very eager to see their next product (this time Trilian) but I will consider it critically and to the point before buying. I will ask ALL the questions that I think are important and I will definately not buy it blindly.

[Tren]

I think some interesting points have been raised on here thus far, and healthy debate about the actual importance of this product (from BOTH sides) should never be regarded as 'unpositive'. I for one am glad that this thread isn't one-sided, with everyone blindly praising the product, however seeing criticisers of the importance of this product being told to 'kill themselves' is frankly ridiculous.

I personally agree that this is a big sample library, and by and large bass within a mix does not require the level of articulation this product will provide. That, I guess, was the argument being put forward by sonkeysankey and he is definitely right; especially in pop/rock,

Personally, I feel that the industry's drive to making instruments that are more and more realistic is a good idea - but that us, as customers, owning them is certainly not a prerequisite to making good music. Sometimes owning big sample libraries can actually hinder the process of mixing a good final track. I for one find larger multisampled libraries often much much harder to fit into a mix than the smaller patches found in hardware keyboards. Piano is definitely one such instrument I find that falls into this bracket.

Anyway, libraries are great and all but you can't beat a real instrument. I've just bought a real bass and am really enjoying playing it, and having to record actual performances! I'm going to sell my CoreBass Cherry libraries infact, because as convenient as they can be to use, I feel they kind of rob the music of having any genuine human fingerprint or soul.

To me Trilian looks like a nice addition for Omnisphere owners (an expansion pack if you will) but for the rest of us who can already get great acoustic/electric bass patches in Scarbee or OrangeTree and synth patches in a huge variety of VSTi synthesisers, it really doesn't seem essential. It's really just a giant Bass Rompler with added synthesiser bits/waveforms and an FX rack. I suppose if it's something the bass in your music absolutely requires then go for it.

[yairhol]

I personally agree that this is a big sample library, and by and large bass within a mix does not require the level of articulation this product will provide. That, I guess, was the argument being put forward by sonkeysankey and he is definitely right; especially in pop/rock,

Anyway, libraries are great and all but you can't beat a real instrument. I've just bought a real bass and am really enjoying playing it, and having to record actual performances! I'm going to sell my CoreBass Cherry libraries infact, because as convenient as they can be to use, I feel they kind of rob the music of having any genuine human fingerprint or soul.

I'm reading a contradiction here. First you say you don't need many articulations in especially a pop/rock mix and then you say that you've bought a real bass to record actual performances. Trilian is the closest to a real bass player (thus to an actual human performance) as you'll get today in a sample library. Not everyone can play the bass (at all or very well) and so this library is very useful for them in order to get as close as possible to human performances. Also not everybody can record a great bass sound and this library will help them achieve that. So you see, in both cases you would need a good bass library. Can you live with a 2GB library having only 1 bass? maybe, depends on your preferences. No one is saying that it's bad. I personally want many possibilities along with synths and acoustic basses.

[Sascha Franck]

I personally agree that this is a big sample library, and by and large bass within a mix does not require the level of articulation this product will provide. That I guess was the argument being put forward by sonkeysankey and he is right; especially in pop/rock,

I'm afraid I can't agree with that statement. Especially in pop/rock music, drums and bass are some of *the* key factors of what a tune will sound like in the end. In case you said "electronic", I might've agreed with you, in case you talked about most snare drums these days, dito. But for bass, it's quite a different story. I mean, just look at one of the most sampled and (ab)used basslines in history, the one from "Good Times". Recreating this single (and rather simple) line with a virtual instrument would require quite something else than your average ROMpler bass or any less than accurate sampled library. The same goes for just about any funk/soul basslines and it's again pretty much the same in any rock genres.

I for one find larger multisampled libraries often much much harder to fit into a mix than the smaller patches found in hardware keyboards. Piano is definitely one such instrument I find that falls into this bracket.

On this I totally agree. From some recent experience: I've just been touring with some musical revue during summer, and we were looking for some sounds for the keyboarder (fwiw, he's using Mainstage and a Macbook, so we could more or less easily exchange patches as I own the same combo). The two main sounds we needed were a proper (live) piano and some horn section stuff. Now, I don't own too much "luxury" libraries, but there's at least some stuff in my arsenal. But guess what we've ended up with? The piano we finally used was one of the most basic ones coming with Logics EXS (it came with the very first version), dito for the horn patch, with some JV-80 horns (that I once sampled, shame on me...) slightly mixed in.
On a sidenote: This also explains why something such as, say, NIs Bandstand hasn't become a success. Whenever I sent whatever standard MIDI files through it, they never sounded quite right. But as soon as I played them through my almost 2 decades old SoundCanvas or a Yamaha QY-70, things were just fine. Hence my comment on the "fine art of sampling" sort of getting lost. Matching sample libraries so they fit together fine in a mix very often really becomes quite a tough task.
But then, IMO this is especially something the Spectrasonic products don't suffer from. Most of the serious demos I've heard are doing absolutely fine regarding this aspect.

Anyway, libraries are great and all but you can't beat a real instrument. I've just bought a real bass and am really enjoying playing it, and having to record actual performances! I'm going to sell my CoreBass Cherry libraries infact, because as convenient as they can be to use, I feel they kind of rob the music of having any genuine human fingerprint or soul.

Again, I totally agree. For a lot of music, nothing beats the human aspect. Yet, there's more than enough folks that simply can't afford/realize it. I mean, how many of us are able to record a real drumset (played by a decent drummer) at about any time?

- Sascha

[mellotronaut]

I haven't read the whole thread ... i'll buy Trilian, because i love detailed basswork. I can play bass guitar more or less well, but i love to have all these different sounds to choose from.

[Ned Bouhalassa]

About sonkeysankey's posts: it's as if the emperor came through town, but... with his clothes on! Now sonkey's been waiting for this day, preparing for weeks to tear down the emperor, and in the process, make a name for himself. So he walks onto the street, and just as the emperor's carriage enters the market square, and everyone can see the gorgeous silk, velvet, gold trimmings, crown and all, he loudly yells, "The emperor has no clothes! The emperor has no clothes!". People laugh, some very uncomfortably, others sad.

It's called letting one's ego get in the way of one's brains. Or in this case, one's ears.

[Tren]

Sascha: My supposed 'contradiction' was actually because the human touch/soul I'm talking about is with regards to rhythmic timing than it is clever sample round robin playback or 'extra realistic fret noises'.

When I'm talking about Pop/Rock I'm on about tracks by Coldplay, Green Day etc. Hardly something where bass is usually that important in the mix. A well played and sequenced 1MB bass patch perhaps through an amp modeller or something WILL do the job very well, just like was mentioned earlier in the thread by sonkeysankey. It's about natural timing of the MIDI rather than a hard quantized thing.

That natural timing is easier to achieve with an actual bass, hence why I now use one - that and it's a lot more fun actually playing and performing the thing for real!

Cheers

[standalone]

Haven't Spectrasonics heard of disc streaming?

Still, if it brings your PC to its knees it must be good...

Spectrasonics does have disc streaming. Doesn't it work in cracked copies?.

By the way, Sample Tank licenses sell at $40 at the Market Place right now. I thought you would like to know about it:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 57#3821557

When you say "Spectrasonics does have disc streaming. Doesn't it work in cracked copies?", don't you mean "Omnisphere does have disc streaming."

Why do you think I have a cracked copy of Omnisphere?

When you say "Sample Tank licenses sell at $40 in the Market Place right now", I take it you mean ONE person is selling their licence at that price... Are you also suggesting that I have a cracked copy of Sampletank?

Oh, I see... that negates everything FACTUAL that I've written previously. Stupid of me.

I believe that you have a cracked copy of Omnisphere for all that you said in the previous thread about how everyone that likes Omnisphere is stupid, and you are the only one that can see the king is naked, and every car in the highway goes in the wrong direction except yours, and so on.

It's just that I cannot believe that you are such a bad person to ridicule the way you did a friend that lets you go to his home to play night and day with his computer and his software. You pictured him as a moron that spends a fortune in useless and expensive instruments that he don't know how to make any good music with. And I cannot believe that you treat him this way in public knowing that he can read your derisions any time at KvR, like anyone interested in electronic music use to do.

I reckon that this friend doesn't exist and, instead, you got yourself an illegal copy of Omnisphere.

And for Sample Tank, I was only pointing out it's current market value.

If you want anyone to respect you here, catch that midi file that Dr.Wu offers you and show us how good 1MB instruments sound in year 2009.