KVR Audio

shamca · Post by **shamca** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:20 pm

After years of beating my head against a wall and spending waaaay to much $$ on training videos , I've dumped Logic in favour of this new DAW.

Check it out folks - the design truly does improve workflow - as much as their ad states - they've rolled in all the lessons learned from other products and most importantly of all, the audio is pristine.

The initial release didn't leave out any important features, instruments or effects and the developers stalk the Presonus forum for input etc. The 'save effect chain' feature is brilliant.

If you're more interested in making music than becoming a software engineer, check out the demo.

Also, I have faith that the relative size of Presonus v. Apple can only help Customer support and responsiveness.

Shaun McArthur
London, Ontario

fandango · Post by **fandango** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:37 pm

Studio... One... you say?

No, never heard of it. Is it any good?

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:42 pm

I never buy a studio lower than two

shamca · Post by **shamca** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:49 pm

fandango wrote:Studio... One... you say?

No, never heard of it. Is it any good?

Yeah, it's good. Very good.

randyandyvandaman · Post by **randyandyvandaman** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:52 pm

If you're more interested in making music than becoming a software engineer, check out the demo.

Don't waste your time with the demo. Just go the whole nine yards and do what some others have done by ditching there other DAW's and buy this new baby. You won't be disappointed. I know I wasn't.

I never buy a studio lower than two

Most other DAW's are almost up in there double figures.

Ableton 8, Samplitude 11, Logic 9, Cubase 5, Pro Tools ????

Cheers

blazarian · Post by **blazarian** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:19 am

I tested Studio One. And it GOD D4MN blew my mind. I just got in love with Energy XT but this one is OVER THE TOP. The best DAW I have ever seen or used. Sooo logical and fast to use. And good lookin'. Everyone get this DAW!

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:31 am

Unfortunately, as great as Studio One may be, it's not going to be for everyone. It doesn't even begin to have the advanced features that some other hosts have, and some people NEED those features.

So everyone can't and shouldn't get S1. I agree that it has an excellent workflow. But it can't replace any of the other major hosts yet.

And yes, definitely try the demo. It would be STUPID to just buy blindly and "ditch" your host to buy Studio One. It's not going to be for everyone.

I like Studio One a lot. They have done a fantastic job with it so far.

Brent

bullshark · Post by **bullshark** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:31 am

Didn't know spamming was allowed at KVR now.

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metamorphosis · Post by **metamorphosis** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:32 am

Was not impressed. Felt reaper was slightly more advanced in terms of flexibility and usability (and that's saying something).
Define a track as either stereo or mono - audio or midi? Weird. And really archaic.
Not for me.
I feel tracktion's interface (but not it's bug-ridden manifestation) is the shit, personally, and fail to see how presonus's rebranded kristal audio platform comes close.
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blazarian · Post by **blazarian** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:38 am

Check out the tutorial videos from youtube and you see some features and things from S1.

And did you know, this DAW is from Cubase & Steinberg developer team. They have learned a lot I can see.

Ps. Reaper is hard to use and it has those 100 item menus that I hate from bottom of my heart. S1 is sooo fast.

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:41 am

koolkeys wrote:Unfortunately, as great as Studio One may be, it's not going to be for everyone. It doesn't even begin to have the advanced features that some other hosts have, and some people NEED those features.

If those advanced features you speak will appear, then i will not buy it. I hate advanced features like REAPER has. It's f**ked up with them and never get workflow as S1 has. never ever.
So i wish S1 will stay the same. Interface is just perfect.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:46 am

Igro wrote:
koolkeys wrote:Unfortunately, as great as Studio One may be, it's not going to be for everyone. It doesn't even begin to have the advanced features that some other hosts have, and some people NEED those features.

If those advanced features you speak will appear, then i will not buy it. I hate advanced features like REAPER has. It's f**ked up with them.
So i wish S1 will stay the same.

And this is SOOOOOOO true.

It's like Tracktion. It was never meant to have, nor would it have ever had, the features that advanced hosts have. And if it were to do so, it would be instantly destroyed in terms of what made it great.

Same with Studio One. I'm confident they can, and will add features to it without hurting the workflow too much. But you can only go so far before you have to make comprises. There is a reason why Cubase, Logic, etc. don't quite have the workflow that Studio One has. Their feature sets are so much further advanced than S1.

And this is why Studio One won't work for everyone. Everyone needs different features. Everyone works differently. I love the way it works, but wouldn't be able to get by with JUST Studio One. I need things it just doesn't have.

Nothing in this thread is news to anyone around here really. Studio One was developed by former Steinberg employees. Studio One has a great workflow(whatever the heck that means any more). But it still isn't a replacement for ANY of the larger hosts like Cubase, Sonar, Logic, Samplitude, or even Reaper. I think it is faster to use than those, but it can't replace them yet.

Brent

blazarian · Post by **blazarian** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:08 am

Well it's all about the developer's solutions and how they implemented the features. It's not a fact or standard to make things complicated. I by myself am an computer science student (6 years) and have been involved since a lil' kid with IT and stuff as my main interest. Things doesn't have to be messed up and complicated to be pro or to be taken rich featured. The thing in S1 is purely the way of working and simplicity of doing things that it should have been always in every DAW.

Software engineers do things that are solutions to problems but UI designers job is to present it to human the best way they can imagine. Some or many fail in a way and some are intuitive and succesful. I think S1 will be a hardcore competitor to the other DAWs in near future. People want to produce music, not to play a software engineer. And Brent you should really check out all the youtube vids from S1. It has lots of awesome features that can be done in couple of seconds compared to other DAWs minutes.

kp · Post by kp » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:37 am

But it's simple things that it fails on. I downloaded and tried the demo (even though I was unlikely to change host, I'm always interested in what else is happening).

Select a clip and press the delete key.

It doesn't delete.

What else have they managed to implement so stupidly?

Instant fail.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:44 am

blazarian wrote:Well it's all about the developer's solutions and how they implemented the features. It's not a fact or standard to make things complicated. I by myself am an computer science student (6 years) and have been involved since a lil' kid with IT and stuff as my main interest. Things doesn't have to be messed up and complicated to be pro or to be taken rich featured. The thing in S1 is purely the way of working and simplicity of doing things that it should have been always in every DAW.

Software engineers do things that are solutions to problems but UI designers job is to present it to human the best way they can imagine. Some or many fail in a way and some are intuitive and succesful. I think S1 will be a hardcore competitor to the other DAWs in near future. People want to produce music, not to play a software engineer. And Brent you should really check out all the youtube vids from S1. It has lots of awesome features that can be done in couple of seconds compared to other DAWs minutes.

I'm very familiar with Studio One. What makes you think that I don't know what features it has? I promise you, I do. And where did I say that it wasn't fast or wasn't a good host?

All I'm saying is that Studio One will NOT be the same host if they add the features that Cubase, Logic, and others have. It just won't. Do you really think they are going to add the dozens and dozens of missing features without putting more buttons or menu items or adding clutter? Of course they can't. That would be impossible, regardless of how innovative the devs get with things.

Trust me, it's been tried before. There is a tradeoff.

Does that mean Studio One isn't good or isn't professional? Of course not. It's a great host. But you are confusing my dose of reality with me not liking Studio One. I do like it. But I also see reality. People who think Studio One can add all the features needed to compete against Cubase and others without changing the workflow at least a little, are mistaken.

But Studio One doesn't have to add all those features to be a good host. I'm just saying that if they were to do so, it wouldn't be the same.

Brent

Presonus Studio One : A Work of Art