Presonus Studio One : A Work of Art

[koolkeys]

But it's simple things that it fails on. I downloaded and tried the demo (even though I was unlikely to change host, I'm always interested in what else is happening).

Select a clip and press the delete key.

It doesn't delete.

What else have they managed to implement so stupidly?

Instant fail.

Something must be wrong there. Delete worked fine here.

I did notice that sometimes the shift+ctrl+mouse wheel that is used to zoom in horizontally would sometimes forget to work and wouldn't zoom in no matter how hard I tried.

But the delete button should delete clips. So that's not a missing feature, but either a bug or something else.

Brent

[christianmusicmaker]

All I'm saying is that Studio One will NOT be the same host if they add the features that Cubase, Logic, and others have. It just won't.

Too right. It would be "Presonus Cogic" or "Presonus Lobase" which lets face it does does not roll of the tongue as well as PS1 so as a result, adding all the features from Logic and Cubase just aint gonna happen.

On a more serious note...

Do you really think they are going to add the dozens and dozens of missing features without putting more buttons or menu items or adding clutter? Of course they can't. That would be impossible, regardless of how innovative the devs get with things.

Trust me, it's been tried before. There is a tradeoff.

This IMO is the new DAW feature more and more people want. An easier way to use what they have. Pretty much any host can do the basics but presenting an increasing number of features clearly remains a huge challenge for devs. It will be interesting to see how Presonus deal with this. They are off to a very good start IMO but must maintain that somehow going forward. They like any other dev will have to pull that off to avoid the workflow being crowded out.

I think this is likely a major focus point for host devs now. It will be interesting to see what they all come up with a year or so from now during the festival of DAW releases around Sept to Oct every year

[glasgene]

I have been lookingthrough the spec re time stretching ; are there timestretch (warp) tabs a la cubase ?

[forw]

It doesn't even begin to have the advanced features that some other hosts have, and some people NEED those features.

Brent

what features do you mean (have only watched a "features"- video about this DAW so far and was pretty impressed)?

[captain caveman]

I think he is talking about the features in mature hosts that users of new hosts call "bloat", but are welcomed with open arms when they are introduced one by one over time. Maybe those ones.... advanced or otherwise.

[LawrenceF]

I think he is talking about the features in mature hosts that users of new hosts call "bloat", but are welcomed with open arms when they are introduced one by one over time. Maybe those ones.... advanced or otherwise.

People call it "bloat" until their favorite gets it and then it's the cat's pajamas. Interestingly enough, that word was used in PreSonus YouTube ads so that kinda points to their thinking in that regard.

My personal perspective on advanced features is two-fold...

1. Professional users like Brent, myself and many others here do come to depend on some of the advanced features and the sudden loss of those conveniences can be hard to deal with. For those people S1 is, in many ways, a work in progress. This includes anyone doing heavy scoring, video, and some other things.

2. The majority of native DAW users probably don't do any of those things regularly. They lay down their tracks, do a little edit/assembly and mix. I would bet that 60% of native daw users don't regularly use more than 25% of the advanced features in the big 3 (Logic, Cubase, PTLE).

So in the latter context Studio One may be a perfect host for people who just want to record and mix their music and don't need to get into very heavy or very advanced editing.

That's the current target market I think and it's a big one.

So there is a balance there. Not only what advanced features you may or may not need but how often do you actually need to use the ones you have now?

Gotta go... the stock market opens in 15 minutes. Gotta get paid...

[blazarian]

But it's simple things that it fails on. I downloaded and tried the demo (even though I was unlikely to change host, I'm always interested in what else is happening).

Select a clip and press the delete key.

It doesn't delete.

What else have they managed to implement so stupidly?

Instant fail.

Yes it does. How can you fail with that? :DDD


BY THE WAY... you can assign Logic's etc key shortcuts to S1 with single click from setup. So the swap to S1 from other DAWs is made quite easy. And there are workshop videos and other "just sit and learn the easy things" in youtube and they are making more I guess. So they plan to make the swap as easy as possible for new customers. And what comes to learning curve, the current DAWs has quite long ones, but because of the UI of S1 the learning would be a lot easier compared to million menu + messy UI with lots of buttons here and there etc DAWs.

[LawrenceF]

The Web Store is online btw ...

https://webstore.presonus.com/studioone/

"Anyone in the world may now purchase Studio One Pro, Artist, or Upgrade directly from PreSonus in our online store..." (and unlock and use immediately and get the disks in the mail)...

[blazarian]

Brent, specify some features that One couldn't accomplish in future features that other DAWs have? In my opinion the one and about only thing that varies usually between professional DAWs is the workflow and the way things are done, not the features. When the software is designed well and usability team has a big part in the project the results are impressive. I think the former Cubase design team implement things in a better way like any other teams among the years. The point is to evolve, not to make things suck more in the future implementations. There's been lots of research and at this point I can say that this DAW has accomplished something amazing here.

It's all about how your represent the features and make things more clear for human usability aspect. You don't have to surf menus and menus to do things, you now can do things more logically. Drag and drop and that kind of stuff brings more hands-on aspect to the whole workflow and with clear UI you can achieve less confusion when DOING things. The point is to use, not to think how to use.

But dude, list some features or things that One fails on in your opinion. I have found none to compared to Cubase, Logic, FLS and Energy XT. One looks surprisingly promizing as an initial release and what they implement in future wouldn't seem at least to be worse than in other current DAWs.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[koolkeys]

Brent, specify some features that One couldn't accomplish in future features that other DAWs have? In my opinion the one and about only thing that varies usually between professional DAWs is the workflow and the way things are done, not the features. When the software is designed well and usability team has a big part in the project the results are impressive. I think the former Cubase design team implement things in a better way like any other teams among the years. The point is to evolve, not to make things suck more in the future implementations. There's been lots of research and at this point I can say that this DAW has accomplished something amazing here.

It's all about how your represent the features and make things more clear for human usability aspect. You don't have to surf menus and menus to do things, you now can do things more logically. Drag and drop and that kind of stuff brings more hands-on aspect to the whole workflow and with clear UI you can achieve less confusion when DOING things. The point is to use, not to think how to use.

But dude, list some features or things that One fails on in your opinion. I have found none to compared to Cubase, Logic, FLS and Energy XT. One looks surprisingly promizing as an initial release and what they implement in future wouldn't seem at least to be worse than in other current DAWs.

Are you seriously suggesting that Studio One can do all that Cubase or the others can do?

Where is the score editing?
Where is the inline MIDI/list view editor?
Where are the folder tracks?
Where is the sample level audio editing(not cutting and trimming, but actual audio editing)?
Where is the video support?
Where is the surround sound support?
Where is the non-linear pattern/clip based composing?
Where is anything like VST Expression?
Where is the audio tuning and quantize?
Where is the drum map editor?
Where is the real-time input MIDI quantize?
Where is the scrubbing?


I could go on. These are just a few of the features, and I haven't even gotten into specifics. The list would be very long.

Now, this doesn't mean Studio One isn't great or even professional. Sure it is. And as Lawrence said, many people may not need these things. But many do. Some of those features are even workflow saving features. There are also dozens of features within some of those that would obviously be missing. For instance, just putting in surround support may not be sufficient. There are dozens of formats and other features that would have to be implemented to make S1 compare to the surround of other hosts.

Again, this isn't anything against Studio One. I think it's great. But let's have some perspective here, shall we?

Brent

[elxsound]

Unfortunately, as great as Studio One may be, it's not going to be for everyone. It doesn't even begin to have the advanced features that some other hosts have, and some people NEED those features.

So everyone can't and shouldn't get S1. I agree that it has an excellent workflow. But it can't replace any of the other major hosts yet.

And yes, definitely try the demo. It would be STUPID to just buy blindly and "ditch" your host to buy Studio One. It's not going to be for everyone.

I like Studio One a lot. They have done a fantastic job with it so far.

Brent

Just thought this should be listed on another page!


Agreed... S1 has a great workflow, but it's not replacing anything I already have anytime soon. I do look forward to see where future versions lead..

[LawrenceF]

Again, this isn't anything against Studio One. I think it's great. But let's have some perspective here, shall we?

Brent

Perspective + Internet = Oxymoron.

[hibidy]

Instant fail.

[blazarian]

Brent you really should learn the DAW if you think that it lacks those you mentioned there. Some videos even mention about those things if I remember right. Mark my words, One will be eating Cubase and even Logic customers in near future.