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LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:47 pm

koolkeys wrote:I promise you, Studio One can't do those things.

I tried to warn him Brent.

You only missed by one... it actually can tune audio events in much the way Cubase did before VariAudio. But as you correctly implied, it's a 1.01 version DAW and if you start listing things well... it will be a long list.

I personally love the thing but unlike the previous guest I'm well aware of the current limitations.

blazarian · Post by **blazarian** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:49 pm

I just answered to that lie this Law dude said.

Nothing more.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:50 pm

blazarian wrote:I just answered to that lie this Law dude said. Nothing more.

Me? I didn't lie about anything man. I think you are confused. I'm a big fan of Studio One and probably have been using it much longer than you.

I was just telling you what was coming from Brent in response to your inaccurate info about his list ... I knew it was coming.

No offense intended.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:53 pm

blazarian wrote:Yes there is these features, why can't ya find em by yourself? But some aren't. To brent and lawrence.

No, there isn't.

Where is the inline MIDI/list view editor?
- The editor is at the bottom of the screen if you have "Edit" selected instead of "Mixer". You see all the "patterns" in this view, so you don't have to click the different parts separately to see other's data.

That isn't inline editing. Do you even know what inline editing is? Studio One has a DOCKED MIDI editor, not inline.

Where are the folder tracks?
- You can group tracks by selecting multiple and clicking group from right click menu.

That's not folder tracks, and doesn't serve the same purpose. Studio One does not have folder tracks or anything like it.

Where is the sample level audio editing(not cutting and trimming, but actual audio editing)?
- It can be seen in the Edit view at the bottom all the time when the Edit is enabled at the right bottom view.

Oh, so I can take the pencil tool and manually write out that pop or click right on the waveform? Oh wait, you can't. Why? Because Studio One doesn't have real sample level audio editing. It has cutting, copying, moving, slip editing, etc. Not real audio editing.

Where is the non-linear pattern/clip based composing?
What you mean by this? Clarify. The editing is the same way as in Logic etc.. - I dunno what do you exactly mean by this?

Being able to arrange and play clips and tracks without relying on the timeline. Triggering sections by specific keys on the computer keyboard. Like the Ableton Live method, or Cubase with it's arranger tracks. Nothing like that in Studio One.

Where is the audio tuning and quantize?
- Tuning and quantize is found from the Edit view and the info view at the left side of tracks when toggled at the left upper side of DAW. The "i" button. And the "Edit" button is at far right bottom corner.

Studio One can't quantize audio transients and clips like Cubase, Logic, Samplitude, Sonar, Pro Tools, and others can. And it does not have tuning like any of those either. You can adjust the pitch of a clip, but you can't edit the tuning in the same way as you can with MIDI. All those others can.

Where is the drum map editor?
- Impact. Then map your drums and toggle the piano to drum view in the edit view. Above the piano keys the drum icon button so you see the mappings.

That's not a drum map editor. That's making people use a BASIC drum sampler to have a function that other hosts have for any VSTi. Studio One does not have a drum map editor.

Where is the real-time input MIDI quantize?
- If there is snap on the quantize settings the played midi will automatically quantize.

Not the same thing.

Where is the scrubbing?
- Not familiar with that english word. What's scrubbing?

A feature Studio One doesn't have. Being able to move the mouse along an audio waveform and hear the audio at whatever speed you are dragging to find transients, pops, or whatever. Like engineers used to do with tape to find cut points.

Where is the video support?
Where is the score editing?
Where is anything like VST Expression?
Where is the surround sound support?
- Don't know yet, I don't use these at all.

And Studio One doesn't have any of them. So if you did need them, you couldn't use Studio One.

I think your post proved that you really aren't aware of just how much Studio One is missing.

Brent

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:53 pm

blazarian · Post by **blazarian** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:53 pm

Ye. Wanted to bring some info about those "lacks" he stated, there is some missing features tho. Hopefully Brent now gets some more out of One, if he is anything near "interested" anymore.

Have a good night, cheers

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:57 pm

blazarian wrote:Ye. Wanted to bring some info about those "lacks" he stated, there is some missing features tho. Hopefully Brent now gets some more out of One, if he is anything near "interested" anymore. Have a good night, cheers

Why do you assume I am not interested? How do you know if I use it or have it or not? Why do you keep assuming that I somehow don't like Studio One? I'm just looking at reality.

You are confused about what Studio One can and can't do man. Sorry, but you are wrong.

Brent

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:01 am

Let it go Brent or you'll end up like this guy...

Sometimes you just have to walk away...

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:02 am

koolkeys wrote:
blazarian wrote:Ye. Wanted to bring some info about those "lacks" he stated, there is some missing features tho. Hopefully Brent now gets some more out of One, if he is anything near "interested" anymore. Have a good night, cheers
Why do you assume I am not interested? How do you know if I use it or have it or not? Why do you keep assuming that I somehow don't like Studio One? I'm just looking at reality.

You are confused about what Studio One can and can't do man. Sorry, but you are wrong.

Brent

yeah but Macguyver could take a paper clip, a pen, his swiss army knife, studio 1 and do anything

eduardo_b · Post by **eduardo_b** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:42 am

LawrenceF wrote:Let it go Brent or you'll end up like this guy...

Sometimes you just have to walk away...

Thank you for this...thank you, thank you, thank you.

eduardo_b · Post by **eduardo_b** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:46 am

blazarian wrote:Ye. Wanted to bring some info about those "lacks" he stated, there is some missing features tho. Hopefully Brent now gets some more out of One, if he is anything near "interested" anymore. Have a good night, cheers

Do you even read the stuff you type? Not that it would matter.

Brent can defend himself without my help, but I will say that you lack the maturity to know when others have vastly more knowledge and experience than yourself. Otherwise, you'd pay more attention to what he says and less to making a case that can't actually be made.

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:22 am

blazarian wrote: But dude, list some features or things that One fails on in your opinion. I have found none to compared to Cubase, Logic, FLS and Energy XT.

you /want/ to like it and use it great! but here's a big one: no rex support. fail.

dawmaster · Post by **dawmaster** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:43 am

grymmjack wrote:
blazarian wrote: But dude, list some features or things that One fails on in your opinion. I have found none to compared to Cubase, Logic, FLS and Energy XT.
you /want/ to like it and use it great! but here's a big one: no rex support. fail.

ok.here we go!! after reading this forum for a few weeks i have decided to reply to this.Firstly,i have been using cubase sx 3,4,5-protools for 7 years-sonar,logic pro,sony vegas,wavelab 5,6-nuendo,reaper,ableton live etc.etc!!!ALL OF THEIR GUI'S ARE GARBAGE COMPARED TO STUDIO ONE PRO!!I cannot stress enough that most of the qualms with s1 are from people who cannot afford or refuse to buy 3rd party software for their daws!!Thats right i said it!!we will start with a drum editor.Have you ever heard of superior drummer 2,battery 3,ez player pro,superior drum tracker?.....awesome!!I never depend on any included daw plug-ins ,synths,drum maps,editors etc. including s1 bundled plugins(although i have to say the 64bit hybrid plugins are not bad,the master color is awesome)!!I never have and never will!they are garbage compared to the highend focused software developed for those specific utilities.On to synths..geez really guys i have to go there ok...buy spectrasonics omnisphere,trilian or trilogy,stylus rmx,prophet v,gladiator,ewql...you get the gist... and stfu.that is all you need.yes i know alot will argue but lets save that for another thread.As for the so called engineers out there ... wavelab 6..yes i said it... yes i still master with steinberg wavelab as does every other highend studio,film producer,and radio and broadcasting network who knows what the hell they are doing!!

cubase-.....way too buggy,menu system horrible,gui clunky at best
protools-......macintosh....why would any one use proprietary garbage and deal with the nightmare that is apple.....overhyped and overused,protools has no soul!! ...enough said!!
ableton live-.....code written by 2 year olds albeit very smart 2 year olds
logic-......again apple really..i mean really (chokes down vomit)

I know this is one hell of a post for a newcomer to your forum but lets think about what makes studio one so great besides the completely intuitive and star trek like gui with its unbelievable workflow and drag and drop functions and second nature like production utilities that i can achieve within seconds as compared to my other daws!but i digress...i really wanted to speak to those guys who know their way around daws and yes that includes you composers(video editors and producers cmon you have know business talking on this thread. studio one does not support video production,go back to your nuendo and sony vegas caves..cracks the whip!!hahahha)
go buy sibelius or any other notation software!!why depend on a bundled program to notate your music?is this a stupid question?
and for you daw masters that seem to think that yours is the be all end all..i have them all!!i know them inside and out!!!my list of vsti's would make you squirm with jealousy my plugin collection would cause you to spontaneously squeeze fecal matter out of your eye sockets in amazement.presonus got this right dead on the money.dead on. i couldnt be happier!!thank you and god bless!!

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:54 am

you have them all, are you saying you have every DAW? That was an amusing post but very hard to take serious (and I like S1). How could one afford every DAW? How could you know them all inside out and realize that S1 isn't the be all end all either? S1 is good but it's not the holy grail and it has a ways to come still...but thanx for the chuckle

dawmaster · Post by **dawmaster** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:05 am

Hink wrote:you have them all, are you saying you have every DAW? That was an amusing post but very hard to take serious (and I like S1). How could one afford every DAW? How could you know them all inside out and realize that S1 isn't the be all end all either? S1 is good but it's not the holy grail and it has a ways to come still...but thanx for the chuckle

yes i have and have owned them all.i will say that s1 is not the be all end all but imho it is the best so far taking into account my emphasis on 3rd party software and native 64 bit support!

Presonus Studio One : A Work of Art