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Ubiety wrote:Folks are always moaning about how contemporary music sucks, but part of that is due to the mentality that many DAW owners see themselves as producers. How many of them are musicians, and how many know how to work with other musicians?

Yet folks are cranking out tracks where they play everything...In other words, musicianship is less of a requirement than it used to be because many people are learning that musicianship is not important. Hey, and if you can't play anything well, just make droning, burbly, granulated noises with some semblance of a beat, or no beat at all. There is an audience for that, even if it is made up of just yourself.

An important reason why 4-tracks were popular was because one didn't need an engineering degree in order to make multitrack recordings.

Back in the day, a person involved in audio productions didn't try to do everything alone, like many, many people attempt to do today.

...And those companies keep on torturing you by cranking out the shit that you say you need when you have everything that you really need to make audio recordings right at your fingertips...

The more important question is: Will you make better music knowing that you have all of that stuff at your disposal?
Good post, from which I've highlighted what I would consider the most critical aspects. These are topics I have posted about myself over the years.

Music software has changed the way hobbyists create music in the same way that texting and twitter have changed communication. Vastly greater quantity but vastly decreased quality.

Amateurs have taken on the role of producer and all musicians, but as you note, they are also most of the audience as well. As a pastime this is fine, but it rarely is good enough to be much more. Most are not musically trained, are not engineers, are not producers. There's nothing wrong with having fun doing music, but there are many real world limitations in terms of results regardless of how much software one has.

Having 48 or 96 tracks can contribute to overcrowded mixes far easier than 24 or 16...or even 8. Less becomes more and aids focus. But the DAW business is about more, not less, so it becomes the task of the user to figure out how to manage these large hosts.

In particular, I think the home studio -- host, plug-ins, MIDI -- is not an incubator of superior music for the very reasons you point to. Who really can play all instruments/samples well, engineer it well (including all effects) and then mix the results well. Very, very few.

Of course, the response of those who do this is similar to that about texting while driving. It's not something others should do, but I can handle it. If only it were true.

DAWs are wonderful, but without collaboration I doubt the results we hope for are realized. Which is why songwriters, musicians, engineers and producers are not one person in the music business.
We escape the trap of our own subjectivity by
perceiving neither black nor white but shades of grey

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eduardo_b wrote: DAWs are wonderful, but without collaboration I doubt the results we hope for are realized. Which is why songwriters, musicians, engineers and producers are not one person in the music business.
On the other hand, there's always a period of time in which people need to come to grips with what new technologies have to offer. I believe that talent and effort will always pay off, and there's something to be said for writing, performing and recording without having a money-grubbing A&R man breathing down your neck (and telling the engineer to "make it louder, gawddammit!").

If easily accessible music tech turns more people on to the creative thing - great! We don't need a new Beethoven's 5th, or a new Kind of Blue every time someone fires up his or her home studio. Music makes the world go round - at least to me. :) The more, the merrier.

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ariston wrote:
eduardo_b wrote: DAWs are wonderful, but without collaboration I doubt the results we hope for are realized. Which is why songwriters, musicians, engineers and producers are not one person in the music business.
On the other hand, there's always a period of time in which people need to come to grips with what new technologies have to offer. I believe that talent and effort will always pay off, and there's something to be said for writing, performing and recording without having a money-grubbing A&R man breathing down your neck (and telling the engineer to "make it louder, gawddammit!").

If easily accessible music tech turns more people on to the creative thing - great! We don't need a new Beethoven's 5th, or a new Kind of Blue every time someone fires up his or her home studio. Music makes the world go round - at least to me. :) The more, the merrier.
I'm certainly not implying (I hope) that everyone who wants to shouldn't try their hand at music at home on their computer. I think the point is that DAWs are more than good enough for music production as they are. If the music being created with them isn't good enough, it isn't the technology that's the problem. All the complaints about workflow are a non-issue given the variety of DAWs to choose from. None lack the features needed for normal music production. Crashes are as much about resources, plug-ins and other issues as they are about the DAWs themselves, if not more so. Complaining that there's "only 48 tracks" is so ludicrous it makes me wonder how many of these individuals have mastered basic principles of music production. But having fun, regardless of the results, is definitely a good thing. :D
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eduardo_b wrote:DAWs are wonderful, but without collaboration I doubt the results we hope for are realized. Which is why songwriters, musicians, engineers and producers are not one person in the music business.
You forgot the MEs! :hihi:

Sorry, poor joke. :roll: I basically agree with what you wrote. Nice, isn't it?

Shogger
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shogger wrote:
eduardo_b wrote:DAWs are wonderful, but without collaboration I doubt the results we hope for are realized. Which is why songwriters, musicians, engineers and producers are not one person in the music business.
You forgot the MEs! :hihi:

Sorry, poor joke. :roll: I basically agree with what you wrote. Nice, isn't it?

Shogger
I'm feeling a saturated warmth.

As for the MEs...those poor bastards. "Loud? You call that loud?" :hihi:
We escape the trap of our own subjectivity by
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eduardo_b wrote:I'm feeling a saturated warmth.

As for the MEs...those poor bastards. "Loud? You call that loud?" :hihi:
Yeah, some more crush with that converter! High end crush, you know? :hihi:

Shogger
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shogger wrote:
eduardo_b wrote:I'm feeling a saturated warmth.

As for the MEs...those poor bastards. "Loud? You call that loud?" :hihi:
Yeah, some more crush with that converter! High end crush, you know? :hihi:

Shogger
With a paper-thin dynamic range to accompany the ear fatigue. :)
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Ya know, I heard it through the grapevine that every time somebody switches to Reaper, a small puppy dies.

Thanks a lot.

Brent :cry:
My host is better than your host

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koolkeys wrote:Ya know, I heard it through the grapevine that every time somebody switches to Reaper, a small puppy dies.

Thanks a lot.

Brent :cry:
You heard wrong.

Shogger
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koolkeys wrote:Ya know, I heard it through the grapevine that every time somebody switches to Reaper, a small puppy dies.

Thanks a lot.

Brent :cry:
Maybe you need a better grapevine. :hihi:
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aw...fudge this crap

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sinzero wrote:aw...fudge this crap


I heard fudge was improved 20-40%. And somewhere in the grapevine I heard crap is more analog.

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hibidy wrote:... crap is more analog.
That's like a hat trick or something. :hihi:
I Music.

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koolkeys wrote:Ya know, I heard it through the grapevine that every time somebody switches to Reaper, a small puppy dies.

Thanks a lot.

Brent :cry:
Every time someone sick of Microsoft bloatware and virus attacks
discovers you can run Reaper in Puppy Linux, a small penguin smiles. 8)

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glokraw wrote:
koolkeys wrote:Ya know, I heard it through the grapevine that every time somebody switches to Reaper, a small puppy dies.

Thanks a lot.

Brent :cry:
Every time someone sick of Microsoft bloatware and virus attacks
discovers you can run Reaper in Puppy Linux, a small penguin smiles. 8)
.......until it gets eaten by the puppy. That's the only way out for the puppy, since it doesn't exist in the Linux world.

Save a puppy, kill a penguin.



fwiw, no complaints with Windows here. No viruses either. But obviously, that's a whole new conversation.

Brent
My host is better than your host

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