NI could learn from Spectrasonics

[Sampleconstruct]

Omnisphere is just another fancy Rompler, boring and one can't load one's own samples which is making everybody using the same sounds again. Not the way to go imo.

Yes, the same 2700 multisamples over and over again.......fffff

Boooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring

[standalone]

But you must admit that Ichiro Toda being half Mexican, half Moroccan explains a lot about Synth1's colourful interface.

Not Japanese?

Dont believe the hype.

[hibidy]

Native Instruments: Germans

Spectrasonics: Americans

Nuff said.

Not really. Please elucidate on this.

Wanting to insert image here, but has foul word might make mods made kbye!

[Nielzie]

I find the Massive interface, and most aspects of the Absynth interface, to be quite intuitive.

+1 I really dig the interface of NI Massive. It's clear, it's clever (like the modulation with envelopes and LFO's are handled), big buttons, all major stuff in one single interface, good presets browser. It's really a joy to use. And that's important imho. A synth('s interface) should be fun to use.

[spectrum]

I find the Massive interface, and most aspects of the Absynth interface, to be quite intuitive. I learned both instruments quickly, and I admire how they've been designed. I consider both to offer substantially more sophisticated synthesis capabilities than Omnisphere (which is also a great instrument), so it's not surprising that at some level there's more complexity to deal with in those NI instruments.

Actually, there are many more parameters in Omnisphere than Massive (Omnisphere has over 20,000), which is one of the reasons why a single page GUI doesn't make sense.

Omnisphere 'looks' simpler than it really is....there's a lot of depth in there.

[hibidy]

Bah, where's my package

[Kriminal]

Omnisphere is just another fancy Rompler, boring and one can't load one's own samples which is making everybody using the same sounds again. Not the way to go imo.

Yes, the same 2700 multisamples over and over again.......fffff

are they any good tho? its not like the user has a chance to not use them and use ones he prefers...you're stuck with what you get.

[uselessmind]

Omnisphere is just another fancy Rompler, boring and one can't load one's own samples which is making everybody using the same sounds again. Not the way to go imo.

Yes, the same 2700 multisamples over and over again.......fffff

are they any good tho? its not like the user has a chance to not use them and use ones he prefers...you're stuck with what you get.

Matter of taste of course, i think most of it is awesome.

Still, i don't see me buying it anytime soon, partly because i was put off by the way the interface works.
Alchemy + Kontakt do the job too.

[spectrum]

The problem with Spectrasonics, is that the interface for many users are too simplified, the more advanced used does not want to flip through million of pages, we want everything on one page if possible...

All the main synthesis stuff is located on the Edit Page. So it is indeed in one place in Omnisphere.

Are you saying that you'd like to have lots of tiny controls on one huge page?

I'd be very interested in this "single page" design idea of Omnisphere. Anyone please feel free to sketch out how to fit 20,000 parameters and all of what Omnisphere is on a single page.

To get a better work flow and overview your synth... Omnisphere really lacks this... I think the interface could had been done bigger,

It's one of the biggest interfaces of any synth on the market. Any bigger and it wouldn't fit on laptop screens.

also lees "free space" on the interface,

On numerous pages, all the space on the interface is used. Look at the Browsers and the Mod Matrix for example. There's no unused space there at all.

I wish that you would be able to choose different interface which suit the user more... But I really like this "zoom in" concept... it could had been done in an better way.

How so?

I also wish that you could expand the interface with a mouseclick to get more controls on the screen.

That could be a mess....how do you mean exactly?

There's always room for improvement and I'm curious to know what users would like to see in the future.

[PaulSC]

I find the Massive interface, and most aspects of the Absynth interface, to be quite intuitive. I learned both instruments quickly, and I admire how they've been designed. I consider both to offer substantially more sophisticated synthesis capabilities than Omnisphere (which is also a great instrument), so it's not surprising that at some level there's more complexity to deal with in those NI instruments.

Actually, there are many more parameters in Omnisphere than Massive (Omnisphere has over 20,000), which is one of the reasons why a single page GUI doesn't make sense.

Omnisphere 'looks' simpler than it really is....there's a lot of depth in there.

You've misunderstood me. I am not arguing for a single-page GUI (and of course Massive doesn't have one either; there are subpages in several areas of the interface). Furthermore, a parameter count is not a very illuminating way to assess synthesis power.

[spectrum]

Omnisphere is just another fancy Rompler....

I'm afraid you're grossly misinformed.

Omnisphere has these features at the heart of its voice architecture:

• Ten realtime DSP Oscillators per patch with independent Waveshape, Symmetry, Pitch, Level, Pan and Hard Sync controls per oscillator.

• Independent FM oscillators

• Polyphonic Ring Modulation

• Polyphonic waveshaping

• Polyphonic Granular Synthesis

• Polyphonic Timbre Shifting and Crushing

(and of course that's just the tip of the iceberg of the synthesis feature list)

If these things doesn't qualify Omnisphere as a real synthesizer, then what exactly does?

I'd love to find out about all the other "boring Romplers" that have anything like these synthesis features too.

Please enlighten me.

Cheers,

spectrum

[standalone]

Omnisphere is just another fancy Rompler, boring and one can't load one's own samples which is making everybody using the same sounds again. Not the way to go imo.

Yes, the same 2700 multisamples over and over again.......fffff

are they any good tho? its not like the user has a chance to not use them and use ones he prefers...you're stuck with what you get.

Yes, they are incredibly good. I don't see myself importing samples from Kontakt into Omnisphere, for example. I guess others would got better sample collections than me, though.

The key is that they didn't just sample the usual synths and "found" sounds. The soundsources are heavily processed in many creative ways using a large array of gear, both software and hardware.

Of course, a synth lover may not feel "at home", may feel a lack of life in the sounds. But the combination of the (rather good) synth section and the most extreme soundsources can bring a smile to any hardcore synth guy's face.

[cryophonik]

Omnisphere is just another fancy Rompler....

I'm afraid you're grossly misinformed.

That seems to be a common issue with Omnisphere, Eric. I don't think the general public can comprehend that a synthesizer can come with a 40+GB sample library and still be a synthesizer. I've even argued with people who own Omnisphere and didn't realize that it wasn't just a fancy playback module until I pointed out many of its same capabilities in your post above and shown them a direct comparison to the many synths that they own and use. In hindsight, I think Spectrasonics would perhaps have been better served to minimize these mis-perceptions by downplaying its massive (no pun intended) library relative to its actual synthesis capabilities.

[spectrum]

are they any good tho?

Ummm....yeah.

There's a whole ton of stuff to work with in all kinds of areas. I understand the desire for user import of samples, but the reputation of the core library is pretty stellar and it's won tons of awards, etc.

its not like the user has a chance to not use them and use ones he prefers...you're stuck with what you get.

Not anymore than any other waveform in a synth.

Would you say that about a JD-800 for example? or a D-50? or a PPG? or even a CS-80?

Omnisphere is much, much more flexible than any of these famous synths, has a massively higher amount of waveforms AND has full synth oscillators too.

"Stuck"?....I think not!

[Kriminal]

Omnisphere is just another fancy Rompler....

I'm afraid you're grossly misinformed.

That seems to be a common issue with Omnisphere, Eric. I don't think the general public can comprehend that a synthesizer can come with a 40+GB sample library and still be a synthesizer.

prob cos a 40+GB sample library means its a ROMpler...nothing to be ashamed of, i see no reason to hide it.