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rodgetkfp · Post by **rodgetkfp** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:40 pm

BBE Sonic Maximizer is not an exciter.
It aligns harmonics through a phase shift for more punch and clarity.
The best exciter plugin is iZotope Alloy.
It's a lot more than just an exciter, and it's VST3, too.

Yep, I like and use Alloy, too.
But you seriously do not want to compare this to BBE, do you?

Ok, lets basically skip the detailed talk. This statement, already says it all...

Greetings,

Rodge

redshift factor · Post by **redshift factor** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:49 pm

No, I'm not comparing Alloy to BBE.
Because Alloy is an exciter, and BBE is not.

rodgetkfp · Post by **rodgetkfp** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:55 pm

Oh, BBE (sonic maximizer) is an exciter.

Even, if it is new to you.

Greetings,

Rodge

redshift factor · Post by **redshift factor** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:05 am

No, it isn't.
I've worked with hardware BBE Sonic Maximizers for over a decade.
It is an unique process which corrects harmonic phase alignment.
Harmonic exciters create harmonic distortion. BBE corrects it.

spinedoc · Post by **spinedoc** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:14 am

also try bootsies tesla.nice harmonics

Nokenoku · Post by **Nokenoku** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:07 am

Ghettopanda wrote:I would say that the PSP pack is a definite buy. When using the saturator on the default or pre-amp settings there is rarely any need for any "excitement". Especially when driven more gently, it sounds smooth as hell. MixTreble does great job when fishing out the lost transients in dull sounding loops etc.

I just tried it again, and the Exciter of MixTreble is sadly the opposite of smooth. Even with Drive at 0% it still sounds like ugly distortion and not like smooth excitement.

I really love most of the PSP Plugins (especially MasterComp, Xenon, MixSaturator and 84), but the exciter in MixTreble is totally useless to me.

rodgetkfp wrote:You simply (e.g.) can't force a harmonic exciter to push harmonics,
which basically ain't there.

Let us not discuss impossible things around here.

A real exciter does exactly that:
It generates harmonics!
That's the actual benefit of an exciter ... it can fill holes, which you couldn't fill with EQing.

rodgetkfp · Post by **rodgetkfp** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:10 am

"No, it isn't.

I've worked with hardware BBE Sonic Maximizers for over a decade. "

Oh yes, it is. I've worked with BBE since the beginning
(almost, day one of their hardware S.-M.- Maximizer release)

And let me tell ya, it is exciting my sound.

The issue of handling (already existing) harmonics, got mentioned already.
Just like I mentioned, the BBE sm can't "excite" harmonics, which ain't there.

But it truly is an exciter.

Greetings,

Rodge

rodgetkfp · Post by **rodgetkfp** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:15 am

"Harmonic exciters create harmonic distortion"

I forgot to reply on this statement.

Not necessarily, harmonic distortion. Maybe we should rather call it colouring.
But that's exactly what the BBE does.

Greetings,

Rodge

Ghettopanda · Post by **Ghettopanda** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:25 am

Nokenoku wrote:I just tried it again, and the Exciter of MixTreble is sadly the opposite of smooth. Even with Drive at 0% it still sounds like ugly distortion and not like smooth excitement.

I was talking about the MixSaturator, not Treble.. I usually leave it out also. The "exciter" also adds width, but it doesn't too that either very well. PSP should just dump that option or improve it.

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:29 am

Download SOphist wrote:
Nokenoku wrote:Thanks for the tip Alex!
It's surprisingly good!
all of loser's plugins are surprisingly good, IM(H)O. really dig the transient shaper.

because you aren't of that kind, obviously...

stevesg · Post by **stevesg** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:14 pm

spectrix?

futurefields · Post by **futurefields** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:56 am

rodgetkfp wrote:BBE Sonic Maximizer is not an exciter.
It aligns harmonics through a phase shift for more punch and clarity.
The best exciter plugin is iZotope Alloy.
It's a lot more than just an exciter, and it's VST3, too.

So here "rodgetkfp" says BBE is not an exciter.

redshift factor wrote:No, I'm not comparing Alloy to BBE.
Because Alloy is an exciter, and BBE is not.

So here "redshift factor" agrees BBE is not an exciter.

rodgetkfp wrote:Oh, BBE (sonic maximizer) is an exciter.
Even, if it is new to you.

So here "rodgetkfp" says BBE is an exciter.

Is anybody else as confused by this exchange as I am? It seems "rodgetkfp" is flip-flopping on the issues.

Greetings,

future

scoobz · Post by **scoobz** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:16 am

Rodge is a bit of an idiot, from what I can tell, judging by his recent posts

IMHO YMMV

SadPuppyBlues · Post by **SadPuppyBlues** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:51 am

futurefields wrote:
rodgetkfp wrote:BBE Sonic Maximizer is not an exciter.
It aligns harmonics through a phase shift for more punch and clarity.
The best exciter plugin is iZotope Alloy.
It's a lot more than just an exciter, and it's VST3, too.
So here "rodgetkfp" says BBE is not an exciter.

Actually, he just messed up a quote block; that's what Redshift said.

futurefields · Post by **futurefields** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:56 am

It appears you are correct.

Good exciter plug?