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goldenanalog · Post by **goldenanalog** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:21 am

Urs:

I believe that ACE is the closest soft synth that I've ever heard to a modern-day Moog....

The only other competitor that I can think of (that I have) is the WOW Timewarp 2600.

Of course: Nothing in software actually sounds like a Moog Voyager or a Lil Fatty or even a CEM3340-driven Prophet/OB-XA/Memorymoog.

But d*mn if we're not getting closer.....

Masterful work, Urs.

PLEASE don't 'optimise' the code (at the price of the quality of sound) just to give me eight more notes.

I'd rather have a soft synth that's got nearly the sound of an actual analog (ballpark, anyway).

Nice,

-goldenanalog

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:22 am

beats are us wrote:my PC isn't great.. amd 7750 2.7 dual core.. if i play a pad with around 4-5 notes, its over 70% in Live 8

still love zebra at least.. got the CM version.. think i might have to pass on this one, it sounded really nice too bad my PC is not up to par

Use Zebra for the pads and use ACE for basses, leads etc... plenty of great monophonic sounds to be had. Also, you can turn down the quality setting for some polyphony.

Think of how much people are willing to pay for a monophonic analog synth! The price of ACE for its sound is well worth it!

GaryG · Post by **GaryG** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:22 am

Doesn't your host render at high quality settings either? I thought most hosts (generalisation...

) rendered in a non-real time way so CPU use shouldn't be a problem..? May take longer but it should render the audio stream without glitches because it's not having to worry about realtime play back.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:49 am

Gucky wrote:Hi Urs,
I have also a problem with the cpu usage, so that I have to set the
quality switch to "draft" for the most presets.

What do you think about realizing a "render quality" switch so that I can play
the sounds in the draft mode to record a song?
But when I want to render the song the rendering happens always in the best quality.

I'm looking into that in the area of general optimisations. From what I know, this does not work reliably/consistently among different hosts and plugin formats, hence I havn't bothered yet. And of course, ACE is the first u-he soft that could beenfit from such a switch.

However, my biggest fear is that the normal settings become "stigmatised". I deliberately do not offer any DoublePlusAccurate setting because then people will say "oh, one can't play it live in best quality settings". So the best quality setting must always match current cpus, at least so that one can play a decent chord or something.

Urs

uselessmind · Post by **uselessmind** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:59 am

CPU usage is too high here with some pads and accurate setting, otherwise its manageable. And its sounds awesome.

Whats really bothering me is the cables, i wish there was another way to show the connections. No cables would be great, or at least the transparent kind that is used in bazille.
Is that possible?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:03 am

uselessmind wrote:CPU usage is too high here with some pads and accurate setting, otherwise its manageable. And its sounds awesome.

Whats really bothering me is the cables, i wish there was another way to show the connections. No cables would be great, or at least the transparent kind that is used in bazille.
Is that possible?

Ricght-click one of teh silverish input sockets and look at the bottom of the menu...

(Note to myself: make thick transparent settings the default)

uselessmind · Post by **uselessmind** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:13 am

Thanks a lot, the line setting is much better.

phazed · Post by **phazed** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:15 am

I think there is no need to use the "accurate" setting in most cases and that it's activated on more presets than necessary. So browsing sounds leads to the impression the ACE is a CPU hog.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:53 am

Gucky wrote:Hi Urs,
the more I play ACE the more I like it.
The first time I found the sound a little bit cold.
But the more I play it I hear more "warmth" in the sound.
Strange but true.

The only thing I would wanted for ACE would be a arpregiator and/or
a stepsequencer and perhaps some more "bread and butter" sounds.
Any chance for it?

If I hadn't gone through the same thing with Zebra 2 I would think you are just giving in to peer pressure

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But I tried to like Zebra for months... Think I downloaded the demo about four times over 8 or 9 months....then one day it clicked on me and almost everytime I play it now, I go.. what was I thinking before....this thing is warm and wonderful sounding.....I think ACE upped that bar even more...

It is the sneaky subliminal stuff Urs uses in the GUI

rsp

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:01 pm

Howard wrote:
rob_lee wrote:no fx just ACE used
http://www.basslinerecords.com/01-Rob%2 ... %20ACE.mp3

Thanks Howard

I'll probably upload some more drum examples later in between polishing my soundsets.
The Kicks im getting out of Ace are second to none not even any external processing as you can hear iv'e added some ACE delay to the kick that starts the first 8 bars of this short demo.

cheers

Rob

xybre · Post by **xybre** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:42 pm

I've been using the Accurate setting on all of my patches, it has yet to fill even one core on my system, even with decent release times and stacked notes/chords. However, most softsynths I don't even *notice* on my CPU, so I can imagine that some people will be a bit worse off than I..

Gucky wrote:What do you think about realizing a "render quality" switch so that I can play
the sounds in the draft mode to record a song?
But when I want to render the song the rendering happens always in the best quality.

If you switch between the quality settings while playing notes you'll notice that in some cases (lots of reso) the sound will completely change, so this might be a Bad Idea? I'm assuming this is due to oversampling layers and possibly cheaper algos used for higher reso. I think rob_lee mentioned that lower quality settings are good for drums. (I could be making all this shit up, but this is what I've come to understand)

Exhile · Post by **Exhile** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:06 pm

I am still not convinced. I am no expert with modular synths but what will this eventually give me that i can't get out of Zebra, Alchemy, Twin, ES2, NI Synths or ultra analog. Is it just more fun or does it actualy give you somethin extra

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:07 pm

Better sound

stimresp · Post by **stimresp** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:14 pm

This synth is a heaps fun to experiment with, sounds wonderful, and is a bargain to boot.

Nice one Urs!

xybre · Post by **xybre** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:55 pm

Exhile wrote:I am still not convinced. I am no expert with modular synths but what will this eventually give me that i can't get out of Zebra, Alchemy, Twin, ES2, NI Synths or ultra analog. Is it just more fun or does it actualy give you somethin extra

Demo it and go through the presets. Then init a patch and make one from scratch.

People have said that the filters are awesome. I just know that it sounds awesome overall.

Being able to feedback a oscillator into an LFO and then take the LFO as audio and feed it into a filter input process it and then mix it with a sub oscillator and then into the second filter, modulating as you go with the ramp generator and both ADSRs and the mapper..

The LFOs are real audio-producing oscillators, just like the VCOs. Makes my brain hurt! >.< But I'm new to modulars, so there you have it..

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