Philharmonic additions?

[TrekStar]

Hi there,

I've read quite a time ago in this forum, that there were some sample material additions for Philharmonic planned. Is it right, that there still is unreleased samplematerial from the old Vitous library? Correct me, if I'm wrong.

Due to the fact that there is a new Vitous String Library in the pipeline, it would be very cool, to get the old material completed before.


thanks for any hints

[K-Slash]

Hi there,

I've read quite a time ago in this forum, that there were some sample material additions for Philharmonic planned. Is it right, that there still is unreleased samplematerial from the old Vitous library? Correct me, if I'm wrong.

Due to the fact that there is a new Vitous String Library in the pipeline, it would be very cool, to get the old material completed before.


thanks for any hints

Yes I'm interested in that too.

[Squids]

Yes, there are some cool unreleased samples in the classic Miroslav archives - especially a lot of vocal syllables and things like that in addition to more detailed sampling of orchestral instruments and other stuff. We've assimilated the best of that into the Sonic Reality orchestral archives as well as some other material from other developers to bring a rich offering of every type of instrument to platforms like Infinite Player/Kontakt, Reason and others. We're obviously not going to be doing a SampleTank library of them because IK has Philharmonik, the plug-in, for that. I don't know if there are any plans (certainly none announced) for future updates of the plug-in except that if there were I imagine it would be more software features, not necessarily digging back into the old archive which is a ton of work! But you never know. If they ask us to do it we would. But I have no control over that. I just know that I want those sounds myself so... the only to justify the work unEarthing them is to also sell them one way or another! Even if we just did individual downloads over time of the unreleased material that would at least pay for itself (the work to get them in playable form). So, yeah, it'll see the light of day. I don't know exactly when or the timing of it relative to anything else but it is definitely on the to do list. Granted that list is long! But... it may happen sooner than one might think.

[nexussynth]

Yes, there are some cool unreleased samples in the classic Miroslav archives - especially a lot of vocal syllables and things like that in addition to more detailed sampling of orchestral instruments and other stuff. We've assimilated the best of that into the Sonic Reality orchestral archives as well as some other material from other developers to bring a rich offering of every type of instrument to platforms like Infinite Player/Kontakt, Reason and others. We're obviously not going to be doing a SampleTank library of them because IK has Philharmonik, the plug-in, for that. I don't know if there are any plans (certainly none announced) for future updates of the plug-in except that if there were I imagine it would be more software features, not necessarily digging back into the old archive which is a ton of work! But you never know. If they ask us to do it we would. But I have no control over that. I just know that I want those sounds myself so... the only to justify the work unEarthing them is to also sell them one way or another! Even if we just did individual downloads over time of the unreleased material that would at least pay for itself (the work to get them in playable form). So, yeah, it'll see the light of day. I don't know exactly when or the timing of it relative to anything else but it is definitely on the to do list. Granted that list is long! But... it may happen sooner than one might think.

sounds like sonic reality has started to distance itself from the sampletank player format and embraced kontakt. frankly, as a longtime kontakt user i wish that the whole miro thing had been released in kontakt to begin with, it's way superior. but i also bought and like the IK Philly and don't see why there couldn't be expansion packs as was done by SR from the beginning of sampletank. why can only IK expand it? seems some deal could be struck with IK. what about it?

[Squids]

sounds like sonic reality has started to distance itself from the sampletank player format and embraced kontakt. frankly, as a longtime kontakt user i wish that the whole miro thing had been released in kontakt to begin with, it's way superior. but i also bought and like the IK Philly and don't see why there couldn't be expansion packs as was done by SR from the beginning of sampletank. why can only IK expand it? seems some deal could be struck with IK. what about it?

It might seem that way but we haven't. We go through phases of development where we concentrate on one format. Now, it is true that Sonic Reality as its own distributor focuses on the Infinite Player as its own main platform for the best of Sonic Reality's archives past, present and future PLUS the ability to stream does add some capability to do content we simply can't do in other popular SR supported formats like SampleTank and Reason. That itself certain makes the sound library support quite more massive. But both co-exist still and you'll likely be seeing more Sonic Reality sounds in SampleTank format.

The main difference is that we don't call the shots when it comes to the IK/SR products. We take a back seat for the most part and do whatever IK wants or doesn't want us to do. We're just the partner per product and have to fit into their development schedule which might be focused on other things like effects or room correction or who knows? IK is a diverse company in software and hardware development. When the time is right then things connect and you'll see more.

SampleTank-based products have their place and purpose. Something like orchestral sounds can do completely different things in a format like Kontakt vs. SampleTank. BOTH are really good and when we release all of our orchestral archives in Kontakt then for sure there will be some cool key switching articulations and large instruments streaming and all that fun stuff. Great live performance things as well as expressive control. BUT, there are things you can do in SampleTank/MPLK that you just can't do in anything else. For one thing there is no comparison between SampleTank's STRETCH engine and Kontakt's Tone Machine. Night and day. Stretch is perhaps one of the most under-rated sampler features in any software sampler or sample player IMO. You can do some things with orchestral instruments in real time that are totally cool and useful! Being able to bend the notes of a vibrato, tremolo or flutter sound without changing the speed is fantastic! Plus the built in effects of SampleTank are still IMO the best... and they're only going to get better.

So, we like both for very good reasons.

As far as releasing more material for PLK, it isn't that there are so many unreleased full instruments. It's more like bits and pieces. More individual samples of a string instrument or alternate articulations, more syllables for the voices... quite a bit of work to do for some esoteric extras. But, as usual Sonic Reality is going to do it pretty much because I personally want to have those sounds and I know others would too! Does it warrant IK doing a whole new build for Philharmonik over? Well, no probably not. Like I said, if IK was to do a Philharmonik update it would be more for software features most likely and maybe some sound updates. If they do they'd probably come to us but they also have their own sound department in Italy as well so I really don't know. Like I said, we may be sound partners on certain products but we don't call the shots there like we do on other platforms.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

Yes, happily Squids is not out of the IK/SampleTank game at all I know I personally would be crushed.

[Squids]

Yeah, no worries. We love IK software and stay involved in any way we can. Squids still has influence and I still listen intently on what users ask for - especially where SR might be relevant.

But, as I said, I have much more control over the releases of other formats sound products that we distribute. Granted they ALL tend to just take longer than expected but I must admit I do enjoy being the final word on some stuff. It's liberating. At the same time it is a different kind of responsibility that we're working on heavily so that our product presentation is vastly improved. New demos, more information, neatly organized so you can find everything, newer more affordable prices... you'll be seeing some changes at SR over the next couple of months.