KVR Audio

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:55 pm

I also am having the slow gui issue. I thought that would have been fixed in the update. Is it a hardware issue or a bug with Largo?

themossinator · Post by **themossinator** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:58 pm

Does anyone know if its possible to demo this again if you have already demo'd it previously?

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:03 pm

you have to use another email address.
rsp

ekeaze · Post by **ekeaze** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:23 pm

musikmachine wrote:I also am having the slow gui issue. I thought that would have been fixed in the update. Is it a hardware issue or a bug with Largo?

I think Largo is hungry for graphic RAM. I have Graphic card with 256mb RAM and solow GUI there too. I will buy toomorow new card with 1GB RAM and will let know if it works.

What card you use ? haw much RAM card have ?

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:35 pm

ekeaze wrote:
musikmachine wrote:I also am having the slow gui issue. I thought that would have been fixed in the update. Is it a hardware issue or a bug with Largo?
I think Largo is hungry for graphic RAM. I have Graphic card with 256mb RAM and solow GUI there too. I will buy toomorow new card with 1GB RAM and will let know if it works.

What card you use ? haw much RAM card have ?

My laptop has an intel GM965 chipset with integrated graphics. I have a desktop with graphics card also with 256mb ram so i was going to try that. If it's a bug no point but i might try it anyway...

Megakazbek · Post by **Megakazbek** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:20 am

DocT wrote:You can select a bunch of sounds or a complete bank from the left side and drag and drop it to the right panel. Or you select 10 sounds from one folder on the left side, drop them to sound 1 in the right panel, select another 20 in a different folder and drop these to sound 11, thus assembling you individuak bank in the right panel.

Hmm, doesn't seem to work with complete banks...
Anyway, let me guess, what do I do when I assembled bank in the right panel? Of course, I copy it to my user bank on the left panel, so it gets saved for future use!
And then the question arises: what's the point of assembling it in right panel first? Why not just display selected bank there, and if I want to create my own bank, I'll just drag sounds from there directly to my bank on the left panel without unnecessary step of creating it in the right panel first.
To me current layout seems quite unfunctional and not very logical.

DocT wrote:Modulation amounts have a logarhythmic scaling.

For what reasons? To annoy users?

DocT wrote:If you don't like the slope you can use the arithmetic operators to increase or dicrease the gradient. Or use 1 mod slot with an amount around 40 and then another mod slot with same source and destination, that will add to the first, but with the finer resolution of the first part of the logarhythmic scale.

Still, why couldn't they make default slope acceptable for most common modulations?
I can perfectly understand if I need to use arithmetic to get, for example, more precision for some very specific modulation effects or whatever, but when I need to do all that stuff just to make a basic sync lead, that's ridiculous.

DocT wrote:It's that way. Selecting FM for an oscillator disables sync. You have to use the modulation matrix to change the pitch of the slaved oscillator.

Hmm... no FM+sync, bad.
Anyway, I don't see any reason why FM should disable sync if non-audio-rate source is selected. Looks like yet another UI blooper.

ekeaze wrote:I think Largo is hungry for graphic RAM.

No, that's not the case. I have 1GB RAM on video card, and GUI is still very slow.

DocT · Post by **DocT** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:37 am

Megakazbek wrote: To me current layout seems quite unfunctional and not very logical.

Try to retrace the thoughts of the one who developed the sound browser. I'm pretty sure that he pondered a few nights about the way to program it. The results may differ a little from your spontaneous personal conceptions, but for the time beeing it seems like you have to arrange with the current solution.

DocT wrote:Modulation amounts have a logarhythmic scaling.
For what reasons? To annoy users?

To annoy you. Haven't heard others complaining about that so far. There are without doubt several advantages of logarythmic scaling, but I have the impression that you are not searching for positive aspects.

Hmm... no FM+sync, bad.

Yes, yes, for FMed sync sounds are required every day, this is a real show stopper. Until this is fixed you may try a sync wavetable, apply FM to that and contemplate if you can live with that.

apolo · Post by **apolo** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:11 am

Megakazbek wrote:
ekeaze wrote:I think Largo is hungry for graphic RAM.
No, that's not the case. I have 1GB RAM on video card, and GUI is still very slow.

Seems strange to me as I have a Radeon X1650 with 512 Mb and have no problems...

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:34 am

So DocT do you know what the cause of the slow gui is?

DocT · Post by **DocT** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:26 am

I don't know the reason because I'm not a programmer. I am sure however that Waldorf knows about that problem. I guess we'll hear from them after the holidays.

Megakazbek · Post by **Megakazbek** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:35 am

DocT wrote:Try to retrace the thoughts of the one who developed the sound browser. I'm pretty sure that he pondered a few nights about the way to program it. The results may differ a little from your spontaneous personal conceptions, but for the time beeing it seems like you have to arrange with the current solution.

Never had to retrace any thoughts when working with other UIs. UI should behave predictable. If it doesn't, then it's a bad UI design, no matter what were the reasons for it. I don't know what was developer thinking, but right now there is no use for the big right panel that takes most of the browser space. And yes, I know that for now I have to live with it.

DocT wrote:To annoy you. Haven't heard others complaining about that so far. There are without doubt several advantages of logarythmic scaling, but I have the impression that you are not searching for positive aspects.

I am sure that in few rare cases, logarythmic scaling with such huge slope variation definitely has some positive aspects.
I just don't understand, why it is optimized for these rare cases instead of most common and useful stuff.
I just given a couple of very simple examples in a previous post, do you honestly feel that it's OK for mod matrix to behave like that, so that even for primitive stuff it's required to use modifiers or other tricks?

DocT · Post by **DocT** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:27 am

Megakazbek wrote:I don't know what was developer thinking, but right now there is no use for the big right panel that takes most of the browser space.

Maybe I don't understand your problem. I don't see how it's possible to realize librarian / sorting functions without having 2 windows to drag and drop files. There are a few hundred sounds in the folders in the left column, now I make my favourite bank by dragging sounds from the left to the right window and save them as a new bank via the file menue. I can now load this complete bank into the right window via the file menue, exchange files again and so on.
I've used this functions as soon as they were available without thinking much and thought they were quite handy.

I am sure that in few rare cases, logarythmic scaling with such huge slope variation definitely has some positive aspects.
I just don't understand, why it is optimized for these rare cases instead of most common and useful stuff.
I just given a couple of very simple examples in a previous post, do you honestly feel that it's OK for mod matrix to behave like that, so that even for primitive stuff it's required to use modifiers or other tricks?

The scaling of mod amounts is basically the same like in Waldorf's Q/µQ/Blofeld (don't know about the MW line). The example you described was the pitch modulation of the slave osc in a sync sound. I'm not sure if this rather course pitch modulation over a range of more than an octave is the standard case. I personally use the flat region of the logarhythmic scale all the time, for example amounts between 4 and 20 for subtile pitch modulations/osc detuning. For subtile drive modulations, for modulation of FM amounts and so on.
But that's a matter of taste of course and I can understand if you like to have it the other way. I'm not sure however if you're right when saying that your opinion is of general validity.

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:31 am

ekeaze wrote:
musikmachine wrote:I also am having the slow gui issue. I thought that would have been fixed in the update. Is it a hardware issue or a bug with Largo?
I think Largo is hungry for graphic RAM. I have Graphic card with 256mb RAM and solow GUI there too. I will buy toomorow new card with 1GB RAM and will let know if it works.

What card you use ? haw much RAM card have ?

As for me, i have 256 RAM card. Interesting to know how it will work after your upgrading. I have laptop, so i don't have any chance to upgrade anyway.

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:34 am

How to delete presets in right panel? There is no delete option in menu.

Added: All presets can be set to Init in the right panel. Now it's clear.

JimmiG · Post by **JimmiG** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:27 am

Well, I tried to demo this but I just got the message "Internet connection to license server could not be established. Please check your Internet connection.". But my Internet connection is fine. Dunno why they even bother with the Stincrosoft thing for the demo version...

Oh well, between all the bugs I'm reading about, and Waldorf treating me like a criminal even *before* I've bought anything from them (normally companies only treat their paying customers like criminals), I guess I'll just skip this one.

Waldorf Largo 1.5 released!