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blueman wrote:I may have it wrong but the way I understand this is...

Multitrack "MT" kits give you discrete control over each kit piece AND the room mics which carry the ambiance or room sounds that each kit piece is recorded in. With each room mic dedicated to its own channel you are able to dial in as little (dry) or as much (ambient) room as you want for EACH kit piece AND the entire kit.

Stereo/Multitrack "ST/m" kits give you discrete control over each kit piece but NOT the room mics so whatever room sound is dialed into the kit pieces stays there. If it's mixed ambient then, that's what you got. Vice-versa if it's dry. This means, dry kits are somewhat preferable because you can use convolutions of rooms to channel each kit piece into via send/receives and get a pseudo-representation of what it would be to have those mics on separate channels. However, the mixed ambient kits have a realism factor and act more like a preset for the drum kit if you know you want that big room sound.

Now, having the snares on/off thing channeled into the kick, tom and cymbal mics separately is something extra that the MT kits also seem to have. I don't go that crazy with it though. That's some serious control.

I like having the MT kits from DM1 and now, these ST/m kits because the ST/m kits are what I'll go for first to see if I can get my sound right away. Saving the MT kits for when I'm in the mood to lose 8 hours tweaking drum sounds or I just can't dial in the right room with the ST/m kits.

Pretty easy to understand if you simply think of the ST/m kits as having the room printed onto each channel.

That's how I understand it. Is that right Dave?

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It's pretty close Blue (Blue you're my boy! - first person to name the movie gets... yep, 5 delish epointz!). Although it is more than just the room. It's each discrete mic in the multitrack such as the directs, the overhead, the rooms (can be more than one sometimes), the under-snare mic which pics up sympathetic snare rattling when you hit the kick and toms or adds "snap" to the snare, an optional "Sub Kick" which adds boom to the kick... Those are the kinds of things that are adjustable in the multitrack kits and they are not adjustable in the STm (Stereo/Multichannel) kits.

But, you're right in that with the STm (and even the previous ST versions) you have the room (and other mics) all burned into that kit piece (aka "mixed" - those discrete mics are mixed down to stereo for that kit piece). Then you have relative control of each kit piece (hence the "m" part of STm which is multichannel). That means you can still adjust the relative levels of each kit piece, just not the blend of mics that were their source.

You've got it right about how both STm and MT are good to have. Some people may only need or prefer one or the other. People that aren't going to tweak levels of mics should perhaps just stick with the STm type kits (such as the ones in this Group Buy). Benefits are faster loading and less strain on your computer. By the same token, people that like to craft their own drum sounds from the original mic sources may only prefer multitrack kits... and then there are most people who want their cake and eat it too (like me) and find uses for all of it both in production and in writing and live performance.

Helpful? How am I driving? Call 800-232-SQUIDS :lol:

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Oh I forgot to mention. For the ability to adjust room ambience in this group buy's STm kits we have something special that works best for the dry and medium mixes (not so useful for the kits that already have ambience burned in). We have separate convolution of studio rooms and other ambience you can mix in right inside the plug-in. Does it sound as good as having the real ambience as part of the sample? No. But it's still really cool and more flexible for getting a variety of sounds or "glueing" kit pieces together by putting them into a simulation of the same room. I'll talk more about that. We'll have to continue discussion even after this GB is over... and we might extend it a week due to a lot of requests we've had from people traveling etc. The holidays kind of make this thing tough... even though Rev Rhythm is right that people do have some holiday money burning a hole in their pocket and since most people don't get samples in their stockings... it's time to gift one's self with what they REALLY want!

Goodbye Tie! Hello Drum Sounds!!!!!!

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maximilians1 wrote:Anyone with threads on other forums for this groupbuy we only have 4 days left so bump them, lets get to 500 and the next bonus kits!
Max! Good stuff man. I think you've won yourself some bonus random holiday epointz just for your enthusiasm. Bravo!

And good point.

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Thuneau wrote:Are the individual instruments tunable? Can I transpose for example the snare samples or tom samples individually?
Is it something that Kontakt would take care of?
Yep. Each kit piece is tunable. That means you can make your own tom sets galore. You just load up as many as 6 of them (or more if you want because you can use the custom map to make a modern Terry Bozzio kit if you wanted - http://www.flickr.com/photos/sonicreali ... 057142127/ ) and then tune them how you want. Mix and match between different sets or even just take a 2 tom kit and turn it into a 6 tom set just from pitch changing.

You can also adjust velocity to pitch to simulate the looseness or tightness of the head... or just for effect which I enjoy doing even if it is subtle for extra realism and expression.

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Reverend Rhythm wrote:Hey Squids, for a while I thought I was reading Dickens!

:wink:
or "War & Kit Piece"

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Squids wrote:
Reverend Rhythm wrote:Hey Squids, for a while I thought I was reading Dickens!

:wink:
or "War & Kit Piece"
Good one! Made me LOL! :D

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Squids wrote:
maximilians1 wrote:Anyone with threads on other forums for this groupbuy we only have 4 days left so bump them, lets get to 500 and the next bonus kits!
Max! Good stuff man. I think you've won yourself some bonus random holiday epointz just for your enthusiasm. Bravo!

And good point.

8) I'll put those towards an abbey rodes upright piano when they are released

oh and just watched the keyboard mag studio tour http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/vint ... 009/103381 , very cool to see all that gear and fun presentation as well, nice to see people who love their work
Nobody's a nobody...

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maximilians1 wrote:
Squids wrote:
maximilians1 wrote:Anyone with threads on other forums for this groupbuy we only have 4 days left so bump them, lets get to 500 and the next bonus kits!
Max! Good stuff man. I think you've won yourself some bonus random holiday epointz just for your enthusiasm. Bravo!

And good point.

8) I'll put those towards an abbey rodes upright piano when they are released

oh and just watched the keyboard mag studio tour http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/vint ... 009/103381 , very cool to see all that gear and fun presentation as well, nice to see people who love their work
Abbey Rhodes! Good one.

Yeah, to be able to say to your wife or GF that you need to buy a Baldwin Electric Harpsichord "for work" IS priceless.

But, yeah, we're gearheads, sound junkies and I'm still a kid who likes to play with toys what can I say? It's fun to turn what you love into a business. But it is still a lot of hard work to maintain a studio and sample everything... somehow find time to make some music. I wish I could play you all the tracks we recorded there with Simon Collins though. I'm really happy with the way they came out and the drum sound was fantastic! Simon is a great drummer. He's definitely got it in the genes. I sampled the kit after so eventually it will be available for the Infinite Player. I kind of NEED it soon actually so I can use it for writing in that band... we all live in different places. So it's a challenge. I'll be able to play the tracks at some point though. Good use of those keyboards! Especially the CP70 which I am thoroughly enjoying playing again after many years... also the Helpinstill inside the baby grand is something magical as well... as is a Boss CE-1 chorus pedal. See? Toys... but they do make some good noise!

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I am excited about the Baldwin Electric Harpsichord! Don't know how I'll use it, but thats never stopped me from buying samples!

I don't know if you've noticed, but we've picked up 6 people in the last 4 hours. I know you're wondering, "What kind of geek watches a gb this closely?" And, frankly, I don't know why I noticed, only that I did. :oops: But it brings up the point that we've picked up some people. Maybe those thread bumps helped. :wink:

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Reverend Rhythm wrote:
Squids wrote:
Reverend Rhythm wrote:Hey Squids, for a while I thought I was reading Dickens!

:wink:
or "War & Kit Piece"
Good one! Made me LOL! :D
Here are the outtake titles of that post:

"Sale of Two Kit-E's" (that's e-kit backwards)

"Drumeo and Drummiet"

"Snare Wars: A New Hope (for alts)"

"Lord of the Rims"

"Batteryman and Round Robin"

"Altered Hits" (as opposed to Altered States...)

"Man with the Golden Machine Gun"

and others... I would do more but something smells absolutely amazing in the kitchen and in moments I am going to be immersed in home-made Italian melt in your mouth magic! So much for the diet... oh well. There's always a New Year for that!

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Look at this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sonicreali ... 057142127/

Imagine being Terry's drum tech! Whew.

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any way for people who have already paid to get head start on the download? If the patches are not ready can we start downloading the samples/raw data?

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duojet wrote:any way for people who have already paid to get head start on the download? If the patches are not ready can we start downloading the samples/raw data?
Not yet. You could buy the Infinite Player and get started with that and then opt for the Jazz kit in the GB. Other than that you may have wait to get started on the 30th through the 4th which is the time people will be downloading it I would imagine. 30th will be a high traffic time I'm sure.

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