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WilliamK · Post by **WilliamK** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:35 pm

Hummm, a friend of my niece just told me about a legal Nintendo-DS card with 30 games. And she said that the seller made it clear it was LEGAL. She told me the name of the card, and guess what? Not legal at all.

So I wonder how many people get stuff on eBay or what-else and think its legal?

mystran · Post by **mystran** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:42 pm

JMC wrote:
mystran wrote:there's probably duplicates, no? Any idea of how many unique IPs did you get?
There certainly are duplicates but those are only the warez users that are stupid enough to try to come online to the official company servers with their cracked software.

Yeah, just wondering what would be the percentage of people that proceed to wonder why it doesn't work, and then try again, and again, and again..

But even assuming like 100 tries for each user (which is almost certainly a gross overestimate by an order of magnitude or more), it's still 210k which would still be orders of magnitude larger than the legal numbers seen in the thread so far.

eduardo_b · Post by **eduardo_b** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:46 pm

Perhaps a more important consideration is learning/knowing what you want to do and then looking for tools that can help accomplish this. Despite everything (advertising, user reviews) to the contrary, the tools are not going to replace the user when it comes to creativity. Someone can take a simple one-oscillator synth and turn out interesting music, whereas someone else with a complex, feature-laden synth can end up with nothing. Plus one has to have reasonable expectations about one's talents and natural abilities.

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:54 pm

JMC wrote: Regarding numbers : Last year our 'Online Content Library' (a tool inside FL Studio that allows you to stream presets into our synths) was hit 21.000.000! times using a warez version.

mind = blown.

every dev should tack that stat to the wall.

un-effing-believable.
i mean, ive been watching warez for years, and that stat is incredible to say the least.

so, lets say when you got those hits, you came right back at them with an offer - FLStudio for $2.
many would grab it, and youd likely pocket a quick $40 mil.
although... existing users may not appreciate the tactic.

djscorb · Post by **djscorb** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:06 pm

Reading this thread with much interest

Earlier, people were speculating about how many units NI would need to shift to sustain itself.

I don't think anybody has pointed out that they are in bed with Beatport!!!!

they are "proud partners" and designed (and no doubt maintain) the entire interface.

No idea what there ongoing deal with beatport is but it certainly has got to give them alot more stability than other developers.

quite surprised that nobody mentioned it already!

v1o · Post by **v1o** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:13 pm

djscorb wrote:Reading this thread with much interest

Earlier, people were speculating about how many units NI would need to shift to sustain itself.

I don't think anybody has pointed out that they are in bed with Beatport!!!!

they are "proud partners" and designed (and no doubt maintain) the entire interface.

No idea what there ongoing deal with beatport is but it certainly has got to give them alot more stability than other developers.

quite surprised that nobody mentioned it already!

Since when did NI become web developers?
I thought they were DSP programmers.

djscorb · Post by **djscorb** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:22 pm

Look for yourself!

Go to Beatport and look in the bottom left corner!

You can tell its NI from a mile away too. Even looks like their plugins!

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:26 pm

djscorb wrote:Look for yourself!

Go to Beatport and look in the bottom left corner!

You can tell its NI from a mile away too. Even looks like their plugins!

From an About.com interview with Jonas:

"RS: It's well-known that you're integrating into Traktor as part of the features set. What other software programs you're looking to do that with?
Beatport: Native Instruments is a premier partner to Beatport and they were an investor, so they actually helped us quite a bit in the initial phase. So the only I guess inline relationship that we will have is with Native Instruments and their products. But through our relationship, we also work with Pioneer and we're in talks with every manufacturer of DJ products, so pretty much everybody we're talking to. Because we want to help evangelize this digital platform and make it good for their customers, Beatport needs to be Switzerland, so we shouldn't be proprietary to somebody's format. We should be about bringing music to the DJ community and fans of electronic music, that's our vision."

NI provided a player application in the early days which let you x-fade from one track to another then provided Beatport Sync as a low-end tool, primarily to get people onto the idea of using Traktor.

Beyond the player(s), I don't think NI has any involvement with the site design or coding.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:32 pm

v1o wrote:Since when did NI become web developers?
I thought they were DSP programmers.

you're right. absolutely everyone at the company just does DSP programming, even the secretaries who dont actually know how to type but all have Comp Sci and Electronics Engineering PhDs.

JMC · Post by **JMC** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:35 pm

mystran wrote:it's still 210k which would still be orders of magnitude larger than the legal numbers seen in the thread so far.

FL Studio crossed the 250K users a couple of years ago although it's hard to say how many of them are still active after 12 years.

djscorb · Post by **djscorb** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:39 pm

I remember reading around the time Beatport was launched that NI were responsible for jointly developing the player and look of the beatport interface.

whether that is 100% verifiable or still the case I dont know.

The fact remains they are still "proud partners" and have their fingers in a few pies. This will go a long way to ensure that they can sustain themselves above and beyond other developers who rely solely on product sales.

This is the point i was trying to make. Alot of people were speculating about their turnover and product sales. Nobody mentioned the beatport alliance so i thought I would.

mystran · Post by **mystran** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:40 pm

JMC wrote:
mystran wrote:it's still 210k which would still be orders of magnitude larger than the legal numbers seen in the thread so far.
FL Studio crossed the 250K users a couple of years ago although it's hard to say how many of them are still active after 12 years.

Oh ok. So at least DAWs sell a bit more than synths then.

I guess that could have been expected though.

xybre · Post by **xybre** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:41 pm

NI has a website. They also have UIs.

Whoever created and maintains those could very well have been tapped to do the same for Beatport.

Just sayin'

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:50 pm

djscorb wrote:This is the point i was trying to make. Alot of people were speculating about their turnover and product sales. Nobody mentioned the beatport alliance so i thought I would.

The only public information about this is that NI gave Beatport money. The player seems to be more of a gateway drug for Traktor, so I doubt NI makes a single cent out of Beatport direct, only in the site's potential to promote their DJ software.

eidenk · Post by **eidenk** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:02 pm

WilliamK wrote:Hummm, a friend of my niece just told me about a legal Nintendo-DS card with 30 games. And she said that the seller made it clear it was LEGAL. She told me the name of the card, and guess what? Not legal at all. So I wonder how many people get stuff on eBay or what-else and think its legal?

I for one buy all my software on eBay and I bought a lot of it and 95% of it turned out to be 100% genuine, the other 5% got ugly negatives.

How Many Units Does A Hit Synth Sell?