Drum Masters & OWD Community Support Thread

[lusername]

i'm no physicist but i'd say that subsequent hits on a hihat would abruptly end the sound of the previous hit... but it obviously won't sound exactly the same as the previous hit, and depending on the environment (and where you are in it) you might still hear reflections

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

again...i disagree...hi-hats are nothing but cymbals and in an open state will develop a cumulative swelling from multiple hits as with a ride for instance...this is why to choke any other cymbal and completely deaden (when no pedal exists), the drummer has to silence/choke by grabbing with his hands

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

the only hit i can see working to completely deaden is any of the closed articulations that would be played in the real world with pedal down

[dimitar]

I know!
Listen to that SNARE
Here is a sample: http://nalbantov.com/masters/DM2%20NDV% ... t%20GM.mp3
And compare!
http://www.esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=2404

[sockofgold]

I think you might be slightly missing the point I making, though.

If you go from a fully open hat to a half-open hat (A# to G# in IMAP terms), the fully open sound SHOULD be stopped, because in real life, the sound of a fully open hat would no longer be audible. As it is, the mapping will let you play both open hat and half-open hat at the same time, and that is not possible in real life.

Putting the pedal all the way down is the not the only way to change the sustain of a hi-hat in real life. Also, the sound on the A note is definitely a full stop on the hi-hat, so there should be no question that it should be choking the hats (even if we continue to debate the relevance of the other notes).

[Reverend Rhythm]

I think I read something in the mega thread about the installer not doing anything if you try to install the drum samples on any external hard drive. Is that true? If so, that's a big groan from me. C: just does not have the room.

I use the installer to put the files on a separate HD. No problems.

[tropicalontour]

Thanks for responding Rev.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I think you might be slightly missing the point I making, though.

If you go from a fully open hat to a half-open hat (A# to G# in IMAP terms), the fully open sound SHOULD be stopped, because in real life, the sound of a fully open hat would no longer be audible. As it is, the mapping will let you play both open hat and half-open hat at the same time, and that is not possible in real life.

Putting the pedal all the way down is the not the only way to change the sustain of a hi-hat in real life. Also, the sound on the A note is definitely a full stop on the hi-hat, so there should be no question that it should be choking the hats (even if we continue to debate the relevance of the other notes).

ok..i see

it is my understanding that squids will show us how to set up our own choke groups....or have i misunderstood ??

[Squids]

I will wind up having to DL them all again.

OK, the GB is excellent value, but it sure has the feel of making it up as we go

You won't have to download the samples again. Just some patch updates.

If it feels like we are making it up as we go we ARE making it up as we go. As I said, this is not some product off the shelf here. This is a customized product for the group buy. We even did a lot of this specific to people's requests during the group buy. I know that is unusual and not something people are used to... but neither is getting 20 gigabytes and over 80 kits for $99! Is it so bad if you think about it that way?

Anyway, Allen is going to come in here and explain that you can use your external HD to install the sounds even on Vista and if anyone needs help it is best to contact him and support directly. It's not a problem to make sure each person can make use of this the same as the next person - regardless if they are on Vista or not. We're here and available to help so there's no guessing necessary.

[sockofgold]

I think you might be slightly missing the point I making, though.

If you go from a fully open hat to a half-open hat (A# to G# in IMAP terms), the fully open sound SHOULD be stopped, because in real life, the sound of a fully open hat would no longer be audible. As it is, the mapping will let you play both open hat and half-open hat at the same time, and that is not possible in real life.

Putting the pedal all the way down is the not the only way to change the sustain of a hi-hat in real life. Also, the sound on the A note is definitely a full stop on the hi-hat, so there should be no question that it should be choking the hats (even if we continue to debate the relevance of the other notes).

ok..i see

it is my understanding that squids will show us how to set up our own choke groups....or have i misunderstood ??

Hopefully they'll get a chance to update the kits with them so we won't have to.

I know how to do it, but it would be a monumental task for the end user in this case. Like I said, though, I will survive either way. It's just not what I'm used to. No biggie.

[Squids]

I think you might be slightly missing the point I making, though.

If you go from a fully open hat to a half-open hat (A# to G# in IMAP terms), the fully open sound SHOULD be stopped, because in real life, the sound of a fully open hat would no longer be audible. As it is, the mapping will let you play both open hat and half-open hat at the same time, and that is not possible in real life.

Putting the pedal all the way down is the not the only way to change the sustain of a hi-hat in real life. Also, the sound on the A note is definitely a full stop on the hi-hat, so there should be no question that it should be choking the hats (even if we continue to debate the relevance of the other notes).

ok..i see

it is my understanding that squids will show us how to set up our own choke groups....or have i misunderstood ??

Hopefully they'll get a chance to update the kits with them so we won't have to.

I know how to do it, but it would be a monumental task for the end user in this case. Like I said, though, I will survive either way. It's just not what I'm used to. No biggie.

If it ever makes it into a script update I will show you then. Right now the only way to do it is under the hood (in full Kontakt) by choosing what is in the mute group or not. It is super easy to do... just a question of which way to decide. Like I said, I am thinking that we'll do both my original way and the enhanced Sock of Ebow way only. But I need to play with it just to be sure. Also I may have redo my midi files then so they are compatible with both... not a biggie though.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

cheers squids

any thoughts on the GADD snare...or have i missed something ?? i'm getting it as 404 not found when i try to d'load

[Squids]

cheers squids

any thoughts on the GADD snare...or have i missed something ?? i'm getting it as 404 not found when i try to d'load

It wasn't on all of the servers. Try again.

[dimitar]

Squids?
Please, listen to that SNARE
Here is a sample: http://nalbantov.com/masters/DM2%20NDV% ... t%20GM.mp3
And compare!
http://www.esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=2404

Thanks!

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

cheers squids

any thoughts on the GADD snare...or have i missed something ?? i'm getting it as 404 not found when i try to d'load

It wasn't on all of the servers. Try again.

thanks...got it now

this new bonham d'load...does it contain fixes or something ??