links for vintage synths samples

[Ingonator]

Hello, at Tradebit i found a huge amount of samples of vintage synths:


EDIT:
I removed all direct links to the synth samples due to some possible (but not proven) copyright issues. It's possible i out them back later.






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Another nice site is Hollow Sun:
http://www.hollowsun.com/shop/buy.htm

[Caine123]

looks nice but without some free samples i wouldnt buy anything.

[Ingonator]

looks nice but without some free samples i wouldnt buy anything.

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[states]

i purchased the JP6-8, Korg700, CS80 and PPG packs yesterday. although most of the samples are indeed nice and accurate, there's a great of work involved in key-mapping and looping them one by one....

stay clear, unless you have a lot of time in your hands and a great deal of patience (which i don't..) I just wish i'd been forewarned.

[Ingonator]

i purchased the JP6-8, Korg700, CS80 and PPG packs yesterday. although most of the samples are indeed nice and accurate, there's a great of work involved in key-mapping and looping them one by one....

stay clear, unless you have a lot of time in your hands and a great deal of patience (which i don't..) I just wish i'd been forewarned.

I already realized this but it's writen that those are wav files so no programs included. BTW some of the sample sets from the site contain patches for Kontakt and other sampler but that are only a few.
So far i'm only importing the samples/multisamples to Ableton sampler, adjust the filename and the zones (automatic). This takes around 30 seconds for each patch.
No further programming with the filters etc. so far, that could follow later and is not always necessary.


BTW i am currently importing the Roland JD-800 sample set. Takes quite long because MANY patches are included (inclusing all factory patches + drum sound !!).

[Lotuzia]

Hi Ingo,

Yes good find though I wonder about the legal implications of at least a -big- part of the soundsets.

Afaik distributing samples of factory libraries instruments and sample content of synths like Roland D50, Yamaha Motif aso is not legal unless they got permission to do so by the brands themselves, wich is not mentioned on the site.

So maybe they did their own presets, and then sampled them, but maybe not.

Atm I'd say that there's at least some questions who deserved to have answers.

And for those who dig that old sound, but wish to be certain to go the legal way, I'll just mention Scot Solida's Electronic Garden ARP sample set, wich is very affordable.


Just my 0.002

LtZ

[Ingonator]

Hi Ingo,

Yes good find though I wonder about the legal implications of at least a -big- part of the soundsets.

Afaik distributing samples of factory libraries instruments and sample content of synths like Roland D50, Yamaha Motif aso is not legal unless they got permission to do so by the brands themselves, wich is not mentioned on the site.

So maybe they did their own presets, and then sampled them, but maybe not.

Atm I'd say that there's at least some questions who deserved to have answers.

And for those who dig that old sound, but wish to be certain to go the legal way, I'll just mention Scot Solida's Electronic Garden ARP sample set, wich is very affordable.


Just my 0.002

LtZ

Thanks for your reply. I just can say i am not sure if the producer had a permission for the samples or if it is even necessary. In the case of the JD-800 the samples contain factory patches for sure.
After a quick search in the internet i only found laws about sampling pieces of music (which are very strict!!) but not about sampling sounds from different instruments.

On the other hand there are thousands of sample set available and i doubt that all producers asked for a permission to sample all of those sounds. Many musicians also sampled their gear and sold the original instruments afterwards. So many of those sounds would be illegal too.

I would also wonder why the big companies like Roland, Yamaha or Korg would not have stopped selling those samples already. I guess they have a lot of people who care about such things.

As a conclusion i could only say that i'm not sure so if someone here could help about this subject it would be nice.

UPDATE:
Here's what's written on the producer's site, don't know if it helps:
http://www.wildstyle24.com/

quotes:
"Q) Can I use your samples in a commercial project ?
A) Yes, of course. All our samples are original and are our exclusive property. Nevertheless, in no case you can resell or distribute any of them. But you can use them in any original production, as they are Royalty free. This doesn't concern the INSTRUMENTALS.
By paying, you accept our Licensing Agreement below :

LICENSING AGREEMENT AND TERMS OF USE
The samples and Loops that you purchase from Wildstyle24 are licensed to you, not sold to you. Wildstyle24 owns and reserves any other rights not expressly granted to you. All lending, trading, renting or reselling of these sounds is prohibited by the international laws. The sounds can be used for commercial or non commercial use and can be sonically manipulated. Wildstyle24 does not grant the licensee the right to transfer this material to another user or for another competitive product. For the INSTRUMENTALS use, see below.

Q) Can I use your instrumentals in a commercial project ?
A) Yes, but the rules are different. All the conditions of the Licensing Agreement above concerning the samples and loops are applicable, but with further conditions :
1 - You must declare to us by email the use of one of our instrumental in any commercial production (CD, mp3, vinyl record, compilation or any kind of support). It's totally free but it's the best way for us to check the validity of your payment.
2 - You must declare our artist as composer and producer of the music. It doesn't concern of course the author of the lyrics."


"All Sample-Digger sample kits contain royalty free one-shot wavs, which
means you are free to use these sounds in your own commercial music
production without any additional fees or agreements. You may NOT
however, duplicate, redistribute, trade or resell this collection as
your own sample kit or sound collection."

[monkeyweasel]

i also wonder about the legality of the imagery used on the sample packs. scrolling thru the drum kits section, aside from all the generic big booty shots that could be from anywhere, i can see a couple of images which i know are copyrighted and yet its unlikely it'd be worth licensing their use for a product that's priced so low.

of course, the producer might have paid out to use them, rather than just scanning from book/CD covers, and tbh it doesnt bother me too much either way, but i thought this observation could be of interest to anyone concerned about the overall legitimacy of this site...

[Ingonator]

i also wonder about the legality of the imagery used on the sample packs. scrolling thru the drum kits section, aside from all the generic big booty shots that could be from anywhere, i can see a couple of images which i know are copyrighted and yet its unlikely it'd be worth licensing their use for a product that's priced so low.

of course, the producer might have paid out to use them, rather than just scanning from book/CD covers, and tbh it doesnt bother me too much either way, but i thought this observation could be of interest to anyone concerned about the overall legitimacy of this site...

I could suggest that if he used the gear for sampling he was also able to do his own photos which should be legal then. On the other side i will not try to check if all those photos are legal or not...

[Lotuzia]

Ah thanks for the info Ingo.

Well if it contains factory instruments sampled, then I'd say its certainly highly questionable.

I'm certainly no expert in these matters, but I remember having seen them discussed here in Kvr a certain ammount of times, and the answer was always " Its illegal"

All I can bring is my own experience, and when I worked for Factory instruments wich could include samples, I was at each time asked by the devs to absolutely avoid using any forbidden copyrighted material such as : External sample libraries, HW and Sw Synths Factory Instruments resampled, 3rd party soundbanks content (ie the kind of soundbanks we provide) etc.

I remember one particular company stating that they were not only legal issues with that, but actually that some people were sued in the past for doing that. So that thru the NDA, we engaged our own responsability in case of stealing external material.

Roland for example doesnt allow people to even use name references to their synth (ie you cant name a soft synth JD800 for example) as well as for the design (UI) of the synths. And they certainly dont allow people to resell some of their factory content without licensing/permission.

All sample libs include in their Eula that Samples cant be redistributed under any form, and my guess is that romplers follow the exact same rules.

Btw sampling a factory preset (unless it is yours of course ) is just like stealing another SD work imho ( but here this is only my opinion based on ethics of course, and not a law or lagal statement so ..... )

Well, all that I can say

So that .... I certainly wont use these libs

LtZ

[Ingonator]

Something about the terms and conditions at Tradebit:
http://www.tradebit.com/terms.php

As a summary they don't check all the files which are sold through their platform but they could delete files from their site if someone will complain about them.
Based on how many sample packs they offer i could not imagine that no one ever complained about files being illegal. When i searched for "Prophet samples" this was even the first hit on google so it's not difficult to find. Same if you search for "Korg samples", "Roland samples" or "Yamaha samples". The people at the companies must be a bit stupid if they don't find them.

[chilln]

...I wonder about the legal implications of at least a -big- part of the soundsets.

Afaik distributing samples of factory libraries instruments and sample content of synths like Roland D50, Yamaha Motif aso is not legal unless they got permission to do so by the brands themselves, wich is not mentioned on the site.

I was thinking the same thing.

I've a feeling that Korg wouldn't be to happy with that - sampling Triton, etc.

Looking through the website - It's soooo fkn sketchy! I won't go beyond this.

I wonder if they paid the artists for using their names to sell 'products'? http://www.wildstyle24.com/en-us/dept_1.html

Funny that 'WildStyle24' asks noone to copy, resample, resell, ...BUT that's exactly what 'he' did!

[Ingonator]

I just wrote an email to "wildstyle24" for a comment. Let's see...

[chilln]

I just wrote an email to "wildstyle24" for a comment. Let's see...

Thanks! Sounds good! Please let us in on his answer.

It would be interesting to call Korg, Roland, and Yamaha to ask them, too.

It should be fine to sample analog synths with your settings, but not romplers (based off of samples), also bad to sample factory presets, etc. - as has been mentioned.

There are many great developers out there doing high quality legal products, which we should support instead. HollowSun, that you mention - being one of them.

Anyway, thanks for the links and good intentions with sharing this with us.

[Ingonator]

I just wrote an email to "wildstyle24" for a comment. Let's see...

Thanks! Sounds good! Please let us in on his answer.

It would be interesting to call Korg, Roland, and Yamaha to ask them, too.

It should be fine to sample analog synths with your settings, but not romplers (based off of samples), also bad to sample factory presets, etc. - as has been mentioned.

There are many great developers out there doing high quality legal products, which we should support instead. HollowSun, that you mention - being one of them.

Anyway, thanks for the links and good intentions with sharing this with us.

EDIT:
I just removed all links regarding "ROMplers". Only the links for analog synths remained.

BTW i can only confirm the JD-800 set containing factory sounds. I kow this because i downloaded the manual from the net. I didn't purchase any sets from the workstations so far. If those contain "own" sounds they should be legal.

I am not sure if the analog synth sets contain factory sounds. Just based on the names of the patches they could be or not. I have only few informations about the factory patches of the analog synths.