Amplitube 3 - screenshot (from NAMM)

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

I wasn't sure if the jam points would be able to be used for shipping

Not saying no one would want the box, but I hope there is a download version for those that prefer it.

You can preorder any of the versions (upgrade/crossgrade/regular) for digital delivery. This will, of course, carry through beyond preorder time.

It may have been stated in a different thread but upon release this is not 64-bit native, and I do not have a concrete timeline for any 64-bit versions at this time. I will continue to check in on this for folks, though.

[redshift factor]

Peter, I have two questions:

1) can we use our computer keyboards now to input parameter values numerically in AT3?

And something I think a lot of people are wondering:
2) what did the "remastering" process entail?

Did it involve taking new measurements and rebuilding the models from the ground up?

Or was it more of a matter of applying updated saturation algorithms to the existing models?

What I'm wondering is if the AT2/JHE/Metal models will sound more or less the same but more dynamic and responsive, or if some or all will sound drastically different and truly closer to the hardware they are modeling.

[Oscat01]

I wasn't sure if the jam points would be able to be used for shipping

Not saying no one would want the box, but I hope there is a download version for those that prefer it.

You can preorder any of the versions (upgrade/crossgrade/regular) for digital delivery. This will, of course, carry through beyond preorder time.

It may have been stated in a different thread but upon release this is not 64-bit native, and I do not have a concrete timeline for any 64-bit versions at this time. I will continue to check in on this for folks, though.

Thanks for that Peter, though it is the same statement I recieved last April and has not made me feel any more optimistic, is there any sign of a start on development or have they already started. I fear it may not even be on the drawing board yet, which will mean years.
There is a growing group of individuals who are not buying plugins unless they are 64 bit native and to give many developers credit many 64 native plugins are appearing on the market today ! like Now !
That is why I am shocked that a major release in 2010 is not in 64 bit native form, though I am sure the remodelling and extras are all excellent, it's real selling point would have been a 64 bit Native version.
There really must be somebody at IK who knows how this is going to be handled, if not then I am really worried about the security of my past investments in IK software.

[waiting man]

as an ampegsvx owner, the bass part of at3 and the upgrade may interest me.
any infos on amps, cabs, pedals?

[BERFAB]

Sorry if I've missed it in the thread, but I read something earlier about a special upgrade price if you're the owner of AT2, Metal *and* JH? If so, how much? I know upgrading from one of these is EUR 149.99, but all 3?

I'm still trying to verify this myself, but it would appear that there may be a special deal for people like you and me IF you bought them all at regular price and not as part of any of IKM's crossgrade deals or promotions, or esoundz's specials (which usually involved taking advantage of a crossgrade too).

In my case, I think that means I'm SOL, 'cause at least one product came from a crossgrade or other promotion. I'm a little annoyed by that, TBH, but maybe that's unreasonable. I dunno. I'm not sure that getting a special deal on a product should mean that it's worth less in "upgrade value" to a regularly priced version -- it just means that I got lucky by happening to be in the market for a product during a time when there was a special promotion going on. If I'd known about this then, maybe I would have thought twice. <\end hissy fit>

Now, question for Peter: is my understanding regarding who's eligible for special upgrade pricing correct?

Just bumping this. Would be nice to know.

Or bought them as their bundle (Total Guitar And Bass Bundle). After all that is AT2, Jimi and Metal as well.

If you qualify, it appears that the rock-bottom IK discounted price for owners of all 3 is $150 USD. Don't know the Euros on that, but suspect it's around 100EU.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

That is why I am shocked that a major release in 2010 is not in 64 bit native form, though I am sure the remodelling and extras are all excellent, it's real selling point would have been a 64 bit Native version.
There really must be somebody at IK who knows how this is going to be handled, if not then I am really worried about the security of my past investments in IK software.

That might be a little strong in my opinion, to be honest. I don't know if 64-bit native is something I'd call the real single selling point of any software (I'd hope not at least!), including our own. It is obviously very important to a percentage of market, of course, that cannot be denied.

To start, as far as 64-bit audio engine precision goes: 32 bit plugins are already capable of doing 64 bit calculations, as many here already know. This is if needed, and to increase the precision. Some calll this a "64 bit audio engine". IK Multimedia's recent plugins already do take advantage of this where necessary and recent releases like T-RackS 3, AmpliTube Fender and soon (since it isn't released yet) AmpliTube 3. You can see from this that we already take full advantage of 64-bit sound quality improvement and commit to do so in the upcoming releases.

RAM is obviously something that comes to the forefront in the 64-bit question, though, and we surely see that. That does make it more important to virtual instrument products, for sure. Effects plugins will get less benefit from this aspect, but definitely benefit from the 64-bit precision mentioned above this paragraph. So for RAM benefits, VIs will surely lead the way.

As a company that makes plugin software, for native 64-bit versions we do follow the evolution of the DAWs on which they run very closely. Pre-NAMM we had some great 64-bit software like Sonar, Reaper, and Cubase amongst the popular ones running 64-bit and Logic 64-bit was just released (with some features like REX and ReWire and more not available when running the 64-bit version - http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3171) so things are getting there but not 100% in the DAW market. Pro Tools is notably absent from that list there and Live 8 is a 32-bit application as well, but with Logic likely to close the gap of those features missing and other major DAWs following, it is getting there.

When I state that I personally do not know the exact timeline, I hope it doesn't get interpreted that we're ignoring it. That's just not where my finger lays to find the pulse of what we're doing so I won't have as instant access to that information at the time I post is all - I do my best to follow up on all requests and questions as quickly as possible. I didn't mean to alarm anybody. We truly do follow the industry, especially what the folks that make the software that ours runs in, as well as listening to users - so we're doing our best to meet the demands of those and more influences in what we create. I know we are looking at the performance and compatibility when wrapped within 64-bit hosts and will do our best to keep our users updated on how our plugins work in this fashion.

As far as sound quality within a 64-bit host, Apple has this to say:

Do Logic Pro or MainStage sound different in 64-bit mode?

There is no difference in sound quality between running in 32-bit or 64-bit mode. Prior versions of both applications have already used 64-bit processing resolution for plug-ins where it was felt there could be an audible benefit. In either mode, both Logic Pro and MainStage offer huge dynamic range and extremely high audio quality.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3989

I hope this information helps explain a few things and shows that we do listen to both users and the industry and we're committed to providing the right solutions with the best sound quality.

[hibidy]

@64: (and this is not targeted at IK, though a rant nonetheless)

I grow weary of the arguments against x64. Imnsho, x64 should be the norm everyone is trying for. If someone doesn't understand why, I'll explain it.

-The ram access is where it's at
-Can you say, compatibility with what hosts which ARE going x64?
-Even plugs like amplitube use ram, ram has become the enemy!
-Nearly every PC comes with windows 7 x64
-bit bridges are mostly dogs. And you'll still get allot of complaints about it not being compatible with the bit bridge, thus either pointing the finger at some other source (which always ticks people off) or having to do trouble shooting to fix the issue using time and money!

So compatibility and integration don't seem to be an issue for the nay-sayers. It most certainly is for us!

[Kenton]

Don't know, but audio demos don' tell me a lot with guitar gear, virtual or real.
Give me 15 mins of playing and it's a different story.
Kinda like watching a photo of a place vs actually being there.
Ymmv,
susiwong

So true.

Sound is one thing but how the thing responds to your playing is just as important (and where many simulations have been lacking in the past).

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

If you qualify, it appears that the rock-bottom IK discounted price for owners of all 3 is $150 USD. Don't know the Euros on that, but suspect it's around 100EU.

Actually, if you have all of them and not from bundles/promos as a freebie, you can get the upgrade for $99.99!

If people who have purchased AmpliTube 2, Jimi Hendrix, and Metal separately have not received the email please make sure to whitelist us and contact me and I'll check it out. You do not qualify if any of these were part of a bundle (including with hardware), or part of a promotion like the Power Group where you got one free.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

I got to play around with this!

Unfortunately I didn't know what the hell I was doing.

Sounded pretty good though.

I was hoping to hear it sounded damn good without knowing what you're actually doing as well as different somehow.
I already have AT2 and I'm reluctant to shell out $250 more for a new and improved version of the same plugin if the difference doesn't have a WOW factor right out the box. I'd like to hear demos of the same kind of great guitar player software expert guys they use to show the full potential but also straight out the box without any of ikmedias outboard processing, limiting and compression. Just straight out the box by a mediocre guitarist just to hear the pure software tone.

The upgrade would be $199, or if preordered $149, and if you also have Jimi Hendrix and Metal which weren't bundled or free, you'd qualify to get it for $99. Just to clarify the pricing mentioned.

To me it has a WOW factor, and I've been playing AmpliTube products for years. Grab someone who was at NAMM for their impression or hopefully Agreed will do clips like he did with Fender. Though he is not at all mediocre, so that isn't going to match your request but I think that's still ok. He does clips very nicely.

[Kevin63101]

You do not qualify if any of these were part of a bundle (including with hardware), or part of a promotion like the Power Group where you got one free.

That explains no email. So since I participated in a "buy one, get one", there's no price advantage to pre-order vs waiting until it's released?

I guess there's always Jam Points for me to use and still make it a great deal.

[dblock]

I got to play around with this!

Unfortunately I didn't know what the hell I was doing.

Sounded pretty good though.

I was hoping to hear it sounded damn good without knowing what you're actually doing as well as different somehow.
I already have AT2 and I'm reluctant to shell out $250 more for a new and improved version of the same plugin if the difference doesn't have a WOW factor right out the box. I'd like to hear demos of the same kind of great guitar player software expert guys they use to show the full potential but also straight out the box without any of ikmedias outboard processing, limiting and compression. Just straight out the box by a mediocre guitarist just to hear the pure software tone.

Well, if you've got AT2, upgrading gets you

1. All of your current gear, re-modeled with Amplitube Fender era modeling techniques and technology

2. All of the gear in Amplitube Metal (including what is in my opinion the best sounding Marshall sim in the whole lineup, and tons of great dirt pedals), also all remodeled with the new tech

3. All of the gear in Amplitube Jimi Hendrix Edition (including great, grittier, period-correct classic amps and a bevy of killer fuzzes), ALSO all remodeled with the new tech... that one alone is going to be amazing, the period-correct models getting the Fender technological re-do is going to sound awesome. Remember that Amplitube Fender models Fender's current production lineup, so reissues, not originals - now with AT3 you'll get AT:Fender-quality models of the vintage gear itself.

4. The new amps, pedals, and effects added in AT3, including some pretty attractive and tasty models imo.


When I get my hands on the software, I'll definitely be giving it both in-depth analysis AND the "average joe 6-string" treatment (I am a decent guitarist, I understand that I am not a bad player, but I'm also no Satriani by a LONG shot); I don't do specialized post-processing or mix doctoring to patch up anything, I offer clips straight out of the box so to speak and let the sounds stand or fall on their own merits. But on paper, and knowing what I know about the quality of Amplitube Fender's models, I definitely think it's worth the upgrade (pending, of course, the improvements that the Fender modeling processes should bring to the table all around).

If all you have is Amplitube 2, it's - again, for now, on paper - even more worth the upgrade because in addition to thoroughly re-modeled versions of all of the gear you're familiar with from AT2 you get a ton of extra stuff too, much of which I think you will find synergizes extremely well with the gear you're accustomed to. Think about what you could do just with all the fancy fuzz, overdrive and distortion pedals the new setup will give you to put in front of your amps (and/or each other then your amps).

I think it's Shogger that has the great signature that says something like "there's no plugin for hard work" and knowing what you're doing, but the other side of the coin is that having good tools available will allow you to take your knowledge and hard work and make it go even further.

Damn! Now I have to reconsider since you put it that way! $$$$$$$$$$$

[jkleban]

Hibidy,

Those you don't get the reason for x64 aren't running a 64 bit DAW.... you said it perfectly, RAM is the ENEMY, and x64 sets you FREE.

However, I can live with a 32 bit plugin as long as it runs perfect under a bit bridge (J-Bridge) as does AT2. I hope AT3 doesn't go backward on the compatibility rating, but we will have to see.

But, I would have preferred a native 64 bit offering from AT with this major release as well.

If you use lotsa of sampling libraries and not running a 64 bit DAW on a 64 bit OS, you don't know what you are missing.

Jim

PS - still can't wait to get my hands on that LESLIE sim in AT3... looks very promising.

[hibidy]

Hibidy,

Those you don't get the reason for x64 aren't running a 64 bit DAW.... you said it perfectly, RAM is the ENEMY, and x64 sets you FREE.

However, I can live with a 32 bit plugin as long as it runs perfect under a bit bridge (J-Bridge) as does AT2. I hope AT3 doesn't go backward on the compatibility rating, but we will have to see.

But, I would have preferred a native 64 bit offering from AT with this major release as well.

If you use lotsa of sampling libraries and not running a 64 bit DAW on a 64 bit OS, you don't know what you are missing.

Jim

PS - still can't wait to get my hands on that LESLIE sim in AT3... looks very promising.

I'm confused by this post, sorry.

Anyways I think it's time for the industry to suck-it-up and get on with the compatibility thing. Companies whined about universal binaries to some extent, blamed apple, etc until they eventually realized it was no use and just went ahead and made it compatible (ugggg, I went through that)

[dblock]

I got to
The upgrade would be $199, or if preordered $149...

I have AT2 and Svx (not to mention almost everything else). Went to the site and didn't see any $149 price anywhere under preorder.