Well, at least the O.P. got one on-topic response. That's not a bad signal to noise ratio for here.
I'm just sayin'!
How to achieve such electro sounds
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- KVRian
- 509 posts since 26 Oct, 2006 from Tokyo
excellent link!!lilith2k3 wrote:A nice Documentary 'bout Electro:
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- KVRist
- 232 posts since 28 Oct, 2008 from Netherlands
I think this discussion is real nonsense. There is a profound difference between classical music and dance music. If someone calls Mozart eurodance, that might be worth a discussion. But most dance genres just use a 4-to-the-floor beat, very repetitive patterns, synthesizers, 16th feel etc.. How much sense does it make to label all variation on this differently? I'm a real dance music lover, but if I think something sounds good I like it, if not, I don't like it, it can really be that simple.
More importantly though, someone had just asked what synths where used; I think the intro of the first track uses a Moog bass. The Arturia Minimoog has an opening preset that comes quite close, if you tweak it a little you'll be able to nail it. If you don't have it, I think it uses three saw oscillators, one pitched an octave below the others. The upper two and really detuned (in isolation this might sound too detuned). Then filtered with a 24 db/oct low pass filter with a moderate amount of resonance. The filter envelope has zero attack, medium decay and sustain. Amp envelope zero attack and max sustain. You'll have to tweak the cutoff and filter envelope amount to get the right amount filtering. The result has also been compressed. With a good virtual analog you'll be able to get most of the sounds in this track.
More importantly though, someone had just asked what synths where used; I think the intro of the first track uses a Moog bass. The Arturia Minimoog has an opening preset that comes quite close, if you tweak it a little you'll be able to nail it. If you don't have it, I think it uses three saw oscillators, one pitched an octave below the others. The upper two and really detuned (in isolation this might sound too detuned). Then filtered with a 24 db/oct low pass filter with a moderate amount of resonance. The filter envelope has zero attack, medium decay and sustain. Amp envelope zero attack and max sustain. You'll have to tweak the cutoff and filter envelope amount to get the right amount filtering. The result has also been compressed. With a good virtual analog you'll be able to get most of the sounds in this track.
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- KVRian
- 509 posts since 26 Oct, 2006 from Tokyo
So you think that Hardtrance, Electro, Drum'n'Bass etc. all basically sound the same? Technically they share similarities but that is light-years away from that it must mean that they should be put all into the same drawer!ThomasKoot wrote:I think this discussion is real nonsense. There is a profound difference between classical music and dance music. If someone calls Mozart eurodance, that might be worth a discussion. But most dance genres just use a 4-to-the-floor beat, very repetitive patterns, synthesizers, 16th feel etc.. How much sense does it make to label all variation on this differently? I'm a real dance music lover, but if I think something sounds good I like it, if not, I don't like it, it can really be that simple.
It starts then to make sense to categorize sub-genres whenever people feel the need for it! Oh btw this so-called 'electro house' (for whatever reason it is called like that I don't know) belongs not into a drawer but into the trashcan right next to it.
<- see! I hate that stuff but not Electro! So you see it makes perfect sense to categorize! 
If somebody requests electro-house sounds then he should state so and not confuse others into watching bullshitty-sounding YT vids!
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- KVRian
- 735 posts since 16 Sep, 2008
Just let its Sound do the talking: http://www.synthmaster.com/
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- KVRian
- 509 posts since 26 Oct, 2006 from Tokyo
I see they added sound examples. Good guide, although they seem to be a little biased as well, hehe. Good comments and on most of them I agree, e.g. Speed Garage. Still haven't found "Electro House" in it!rectus_dominus wrote:http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/
In order to avoid misunderstanding...
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- KVRAF
- 4279 posts since 14 Nov, 2008 from UK
Electro House sampling old school electroSadPuppyBlues wrote:Wow, you guys think a dead genre is quite the serious business.
It's not like it's Punk Rock, or something.
Modern Hip Hop sampling old School electro
It's not the only examples, there are plenty more...
Plus a whole underground scene of old school and new artists still doing electro...not really that dead is it?
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 5 posts since 25 Dec, 2009
Well yeah looks like I didn't label it right hehe.
I meant electro house.
and I would still like some help, altho this history lesson you guys posted is awesome
I meant electro house.
and I would still like some help, altho this history lesson you guys posted is awesome
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- Banned
- 18651 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from England
well, im at work all day so i get out plenty thanks, and the synth didnt take long to make in the evenings...and mine is free, i wont rip ppl off like Novation have (not only did they make the worst synth ever, they made a VST version of itbreakmixer wrote:
Yes, If you have got time to make 'Bass Station' clones when Novation has already made one, I would agree you need to get out more, I myself am unemployed at the minute, so I do need to get out more myself, but the weather has been shite...
)and electro began in the 70's
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PurpleCatfishBettie PurpleCatfishBettie https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=211816
- KVRAF
- 3278 posts since 22 Jul, 2009
When I hear the '4 on the floor' puffy bass drum going at 120-135 bpm, to me it's all 'techno.' When I hear the upbeat, 'drum and bass' it's like 'techno-surf.'
I understand that the people well into these genres are able to differentiate between the many different strains.
In heavy metal, there are all kinds of genres within the overall label, 'heavy metal.' A lot of people would call it all 'noise' and not be able to differentiate between say, Pantera and Ronnie James Dio.
So, I think it's the people who are way into overall genres, and their subtle subdivisions, who make these distinctions. For casual observers of any given overall musical type, it all gets labeled under one label.
Another example would be older-style jazz, be-bop ("'50s jazz"), and modern jazz. To some people it's all the same; to others there are vast, overarching differences between them all.
I understand that the people well into these genres are able to differentiate between the many different strains.
In heavy metal, there are all kinds of genres within the overall label, 'heavy metal.' A lot of people would call it all 'noise' and not be able to differentiate between say, Pantera and Ronnie James Dio.
So, I think it's the people who are way into overall genres, and their subtle subdivisions, who make these distinctions. For casual observers of any given overall musical type, it all gets labeled under one label.
Another example would be older-style jazz, be-bop ("'50s jazz"), and modern jazz. To some people it's all the same; to others there are vast, overarching differences between them all.
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- KVRist
- 498 posts since 9 Jul, 2008
They also do samples of ragtime and bebop. Those genres must be as alive and taking names as before any of us were born, right?breakmixer wrote: Electro House sampling old school electro
Modern Hip Hop sampling old School electro
It's not the only examples, there are plenty more...
Uh, they still have music for old people, really?Plus a whole underground scene of old school and new artists still doing electro...not really that dead is it?
Wow I've never heard of a Punk show. Are you saying because something still gets shows, that it's still culturally relevant? Cause dude, Psychedelic Rock is taking middle american seniors by storm!
Haha, you're approaching this like I need to be schooled.
I dunno man, that kind of assumption doesn't really work out too well sometimes.
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- KVRian
- 1492 posts since 29 Apr, 2004
thanks for that one. didnt know itlilith2k3 wrote:A nice Documentary 'bout Electro:
here is another, quite recent electro docu (good music, interviews, etc):
http://vimeo.com/2586310
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- KVRAF
- 2982 posts since 31 Jan, 2003 from Ghent, Belgium
So, are you saying that there's only 1 culture... popular culture??SadPuppyBlues wrote:Are you saying because something still gets shows, that it's still culturally relevant? Cause dude, Psychedelic Rock is taking middle american seniors by storm!
