What will the iPad do for musicians?

[zerocrossing]

No, I wasn't. But you can try your usual circular arguments hoping that people will lose track after enough turns and think you were right.

Nah, you seem to be doing that well enough for yourself. well that and the inanely hyperbolic, vitriolic exaggeration of every other post.

But if you can give me an example of how I changed the subject to fit my argument, feel free to document it.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 94#3957694

Haha, funny. What's wrong with Vista? I use it and it seems fine. Yeah, I had to go in and change a bunch of prefs to make it work well, but the same was true of XP. Hm, never had to change a pref on my Mac to get it to work with audio... but that's another story.

Also, you all are forgetting that the iPad's focus is as a media player/browser. It's great that devs will write apps that do other stuff so we can post badly made videos on Youtube showing how cool we are pretending we're Sulu DJ'ing a rave, but that's not where 98% of the iPad's audience is. Really when I first saw this I thought, "Ah, that would be perfect for my wife." Her hobby is cooking and she loves to half watch cooking shows and surf the web when something comes up that interests her. Some Facebook and email too, but mostly browsing and reading. I sense an iPad will replace her iBook and I bet someone makes a fetching stand for it to sit on the counter while she cooks. If I get a gig that lets me train/bus to work I'd be into it too for catching up on silly threads on KVR and watching movies/programs during my commute. Then when I get home I'll fire up some cool app that turns it into a poor man's Lemur. Not worth $500? The price of a closed system is an easy to use stable system.

[whyterabbyt]

Also, you all are forgetting that the iPad's focus is as a media player/browser.

that doesnt handle the two major existing mechanisms for dynamic media targetted at browsers, Flash and Java.

so we can post badly made videos on Youtube showing how cool we are pretending we're Sulu DJ'ing a rave

but not watch them.

Then when I get home I'll fire up some cool app that turns it into a poor man's Lemur.

That would be my main interest in it as well, if I wasnt already following the same sort of route with different kit.

Not worth $500? The price of a closed system is an easy to use stable system.

closed systems do have advantages. stability can be one, although easy-to-use isnt, not intrinsically. but i would say the problem of 'open' with the ipod/ipad isnt that its a closed system. you can develop applications for it.
but any application for them needs approval from Apple before it can be sold or given away. and thats an issue; they've not approved applications which compete with the functionality they want to provide, for example. The Skype app was knocked back. And the Google Voice app. And they dont permit anything that lets you run your own code, eg interpreters. They knocked back a C64 emulator because of its inbuuilt BASIC interpreter, for example.
Imagine the outcry if microsoft did that.

[spaceman]

silly silly [edit]

[zerocrossing]

Also, you all are forgetting that the iPad's focus is as a media player/browser.

that doesnt handle the two major existing mechanisms for dynamic media targetted at browsers, Flash and Java.

Yeah, you'll get no argument from me on that. My only guess is that Apple is blocking Flash to prevent people from just playing Flash games instead of buying games from it's app store, and that's fracktarded. Yeah, I'm an Apple Fanboi and I'll freely admit it, but trust me, I don't think they can do no wrong. I can't even view my own webpage on an iPhone, as I'm a designer who uses Flash all the time. They promised they would have it when v1 of the iPhone came out and here we are years later with nothing so I guess that was a bold faced lie. That said, the iPhone is by far the best phone/mediaplayer/PDA I've ever owned. My wife thinks so too and she went though about 6 smartphones before the iPhone. So I try to focus on what it is instead of what it isn't and it's still pretty damn cool.

[whyterabbyt]

That was a pathetic attempt to throw your own crap back at me, even by your standards

oh the irony. touched a nerve?

Inanely hyperbolic?
Strangely vitriolic exaggeration?

forgotten already? panties bunched that tight they're affecting your memory? here's some reminders for you, for old time's sake. bless.

Just as millions of people got Vista.
I'm sure most of them never realised what was about to hit them there either.

most of millions, eh?

what was the problem you were claiming they were going to be 'hit with' again?

Most people were lucky to have a computer that booted up, and stayed up.

ah. right. and on...

The rest of the world?

You mean people in mental institutions?
Homeless people using an old Palm?
Hackers in Kazakhstan?

Name me one good thing about Flash? Every Flash game is shit and every website in Flash is unusable.

[spaceman]

[edit] more silly

[headquest]

Just as millions of people got Vista.
I'm sure most of them never realised what was about to hit them there either.

I don't think that's a valid comparisson:

With Vista, MS were trying to produce an improved operating system, but it was badly implemented, especially at first, and was inadvertently a bad experience for users. Microsoft have at least fixed Vista with free-of-charge service packs, developing it into a fairly stable and mostly good OS. And they learnt from their past errors when they prepared for the release of the rather good Windows 7.


With iPad, Apple are bringing out a product that deliberately and consciously has limitations that some users (who don't research properly, or who believe the Apple salesperson's patter) will find debilitating. Let's see if Apple "fix" the iPad for free by making it do what the stuff they claim: i.e. full web browsing should surely include support for all common web content... and preferably a webcam for communicting with other web users (e.g. Skype, etc).

If your comment is even remotely a fair one, then surely that's what they should do...?

[eduardo_b]

With iPad, Apple are bringing out a product that deliberately and consciously has limitations that some users (who don't research properly, or who believe the Apple salesperson's patter) will find debilitating. Let's see if Apple "fix" the iPad for free by making it do what the stuff they claim: i.e. full web browsing should surely include support for all common web content... and preferably a webcam for communicting with other web users (e.g. Skype, etc).

Given that most people are drawn to UI and features, and have little interest in OS esoterica, the usability of the iPad is all that matters to the vast majority of potential customers. The must-have functions that aren't there will be a deal killer for at least some.

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I should also note that while rabid fans of Apple's products might buy iPads simply because they're from Apple, unlike the iPhone the iPad will not automatically attract those who do have an immediate need for the product or see real value in it.

[whyterabbyt]

Even a dead bee on the windowsill would realise that that was meant as a humorous statement. Only someone like you, who seems to be so keen on starting arguments he would start one with himself just to see who would come out on top

Correction... here's the real humorous thing; right up till a certain point, I was taking the whole lot as a series of humorous statements. In fact I was labouring under the misapprehension that the entire f**king dialogue between the us, and even Tristeza was one long big jokey 'fake' argument between folk who have been here long enough to consider each other mates.
And then you started acting like a prick and made it personal, apropos of nothing specific said to you at all. I got suckered into an argument by someone I thought was a mate, thinking it was just an elongated joke, just so that they could use it as an opportunity to slag me off for posting in exactly the same manner as they had a few posts before. Well congratulations, Yves. You 'win'. Whatever the f**k it is you were trying to win.

[spaceman]

Even a dead bee on the windowsill would realise that that was meant as a humorous statement. Only someone like you, who seems to be so keen on starting arguments he would start one with himself just to see who would come out on top

Correction... here's the real humorous thing; right up till a certain point, I was taking the whole lot as a series of humorous statements. In fact I was labouring under the misapprehension that the entire f**king dialogue between the us, and even Tristeza was one long big jokey 'fake' argument between folk who have been here long enough to consider each other mates.
And then you started acting like a prick and made it personal, apropos of nothing specific said to you at all. I got suckered into an argument by someone I thought was a mate, thinking it was just an elongated joke, just so that they could use it as an opportunity to slag me off for posting in exactly the same manner as they had a few posts before. Well congratulations, Yves. You 'win'. Whatever the f**k it is you were trying to win.

listen, it's Friday, it's weekend.. it's not (and never is really) a good time to argue like this. I probably did exaggerate and I apologise for that. You are right, I got personal there for a minute and that was uncalled for. I think the fact that a silly argument about Flash almost got turned into an other Apple argument must have started me off. I don't know what that had to do with anything we were discussing. Maybe I secretly am a fanboi.

So sorry for being an arse, I hope you can for get about it and move on.

[whyterabbyt]

Fair enough. Appreciated.

[UltraJv]

I think youre both wrong

[jones-y]

Yeah...

And you can watch YouTube on the iPhone/iPad/iPod...

[egbert]

I just checked out Engadget and the iPad looks... pedestrian. Mediocre. Middle of the road. This is not the iPhone of tablets, it's just another tablet. A shame, because if it was something spectacular (as all the hype suggested) it'd be the first Apple product I'd buy. Oh well, still a Windows person.

the spectacular will come in the second revision... i'll stay away from this one this year

That is exactly how this game works.

The worst iJunkies will queue to pony up for the first one on the first day it is available and when an obviously better one is out in say 6-12 months, they will put that first clunker in the closet with their pet rock or hand it down to iJunkie Jr and rush out and buy the new one.

Ker-ching - two sales for the price of - um - two!

[spaceman]

The proof will be in the.. err.. proof.

I haven't used the iPad and I haven't one of the Windows based tablets either. In the end it's the user experience that counts, how fast they are, how responsive, how easy to use, .. Apple has a bit of a track record in that, so we'll see how their what is being called a closed limited system stacks up to the 'open' unlimited Windows or Android machines.

For me they won in the phones department, closed system or not. Time will tell if they managed the same with the pad.

I do actually understand that there are things like Flash and Java and that people do use it. So on the one hand, why take that out of the experience? But on the other hand, Flash is extremely processor heavy and it and Java are, to me anyway, aging technologies that will disappear, probably sooner that later. As I mentioned before, no other mobile device apart from the coming Win tables really supports full Flash. There's s reason for that. And in my opinion companies like Palm only include it to get one on Apple. In practice however Flash on those devices is practically unusable.