Which Daw has the tightest internal midi?

[robbie1234321]

Which Daw do you think has the tightest midi? Or even which one do you think is sloppy. I dont mean for triggering external synths or modules, just internal VSTs/Audio units.

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[P.T.]

Is it the DAW or the soundcard that is responsible for midi timing?

[generalstargazer]

Which Daw do you think has the tightest midi? Or even which one do you think is sloppy. I dont mean for triggering external synths or modules, just internal VSTs/Audio units.

Tightest: Renoise

[ckatrun411]

Renoise is not a DAW. Definitely not Ableton Live. Cubase is probably the best without a clock. Those concerned need to go with door number two here. A sound card with a clock function, or a word clock.

[ZenPunkHippy]

I've not tested it personally, but from observing various form posts and using it for testing plug-ins, I would also suggest Renoise is your best bet.

Peace,
Andy.

[ckatrun411]

I've not tested it personally, but from observing various form posts and using it for testing plug-ins, I would also suggest Renoise is your best bet.

Peace,
Andy.

Renoise is going to be very difficult for people wanting tight midi, and not knowing how to use a tracker. You would need to learn a whole new system.

Best bet? Word clock!

Ofcourse, if you want to figure out the XXXX for ticks, and 64th, and 32nd notes, as well as delays, and whatever. Be my guest. I certainly like to use Renoise for this.

But, operative word? DAW. Renoise is not a DAW. I like to use Renoise for certain things, but when I start working with lots of audio, forget it! I turn to my other softwares.

[ZenPunkHippy]

Is it the DAW or the soundcard that is responsible for midi timing?

It's a combination of both. The sound card driver interfaces with the physical hardware, to provide information to the OS and host software, and the host has to reliably interpret the information. Some of them are better than others.

@ckatrun ...

Sure, I understand Renoise is a different beast to say Logic or Cubase, but it's still capable of having multiple tracks containing audio or virtual instruments and effects, and mixing those tracks together to create music. Because it's a tracker it does not have the GUI bloat of other hosts, which makes it more efficient in terms of performance ...

I don't think the tracker workflow is that hard to pick up with a little effort.

Peace,
Andy.

[ckatrun411]

I'm sorry ZenPunkHippy, but I disagree, ever so slightly, with what you are saying:

I like Renoise a lot, actually, I'm constantly playing with this software. However, once you get away from electronic styles, you see Renoise for what it is. A modern tracker, that pushes the envelope of tracker functionality, but still a tracker. While this may mean you can use some audio, and lots of software instruments to create music, it also means that trying to record a band or even a solo singer songwriter with Renoise is an uphill battle, to say the very least. Why use the wrong tool for the job?

Also, I'm still learning and exploring the tracker workflow. It is, "left field," if Cubase, Logic, Ableton, and a standard DAW environment is what you are used to.

[ZenPunkHippy]

Fair enough, I won't disagree and would never recommend using a tracker to record a band!!! But is that the OP's intention? Or is s/he looking to create super tight, banging beats?

Peace,
Andy.

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[stikygum]

I think I read somewhere that Logic has only 2-3ms of latency. Fast hardware analog sequencers don't even get quicker than that.

[IIRs]

I was under the impression that internal midi is sample accurate..?

[P.T.]

I was thinking in terms of recording midi from a keyboard into a DAW.
I think that midi that is in the daw will play back with perfect accuracy.

It's getting it in there from a controller that can be less than perfect.

[p7]

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