struggling to study this riff, theres so much going on with it
the riff comes in full force at 1.40... can someone please recreate a midi for me? is it out of time in some way it seems to be just of, or thats just me!
all the best
scott
what are the notes for this riff
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- Banned
- 3299 posts since 20 Dec, 2008
Just sounds like triplets played over and over with a supersaw patch to me. I may be wrong.
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- KVRist
- 395 posts since 14 Aug, 2009
Help to selp-helf:
I don't want to take away the joy hard work for you, so why don't you try yourself? You can only get better at it the more you do it...
Loop a part of the riff in your DAW. Try playing over it with a synth patch that comes close. Input notes with your mouse or your keyboard.
Don't worry about the rhythm of the part at first, start with just the note. Then you worry about the placement of each note after that.
Shouldn't be that hard
I don't want to take away the joy hard work for you, so why don't you try yourself? You can only get better at it the more you do it...
Loop a part of the riff in your DAW. Try playing over it with a synth patch that comes close. Input notes with your mouse or your keyboard.
Don't worry about the rhythm of the part at first, start with just the note. Then you worry about the placement of each note after that.
Shouldn't be that hard
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- KVRAF
- 6937 posts since 4 Jun, 2004 from Utrecht, Holland
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- KVRAF
- 1595 posts since 17 Nov, 2007 from Seattle, WA
I don't know what DAW you use, or exactly how it will display the information, but what you're lookin for is related to your quantize grid. You know where you'd change it to a 1/8th notes, or 1/16th notes? Well what you want for this will possibly be called 1/8th triplets. Or maybe 1/8T.
This description I'm about to make is not a precise answer really, just a quick-and-dirty so that you get the idea.
Nearly all dance music is in 4/4 time(1234,1234,1234,1234), and just about everything goes according to multiples of two or four, most the time. However, triplets are what happens when you take some interval of time, and start using multiples of three, instead.
As an exploration of the concept, imagine 1/4 notes in 4/4 time. (1234,1234,1234,1234)
You divide those quarter notes in half, you get 8ths. Divide those in half and you get 16ths. It makes clean sense: Every full measure, if separated into 16ths, is composed of exactly 16 notes.
But what do you do if you want to compose in, say, 3/4 time? (123,123,123,123)
In a way it'd make sense to use 1/3rd notes, 1/6th, 1/9th, but that's just a pain in the ass to get familiar with a whole new set of notes. It'd be useful to instead use the existing note 'hierarchy,' so that's sort of what ends up happening. Thus, a whole note would last 3 'counts,' 3 quarter notes would compose a full measure as the equivalent time to a whole note, and if you wanted to divide those quarter notes further you'd have six 8th notes... and then 12 16th notes if you divided it again. In the example you posted, those are called 1/8th triplets because those notes occupy the same 'tier' in the note hierarchy in 3/4 as 'normal' 1/8ths do in 4/4 time.
Triplets are what happens when you bring those 3/4 note timings into 4/4. Sometimes it sounds right, sometimes not; it depends on what timings were already being played in the song.
Again, I'm sure there's some flaws in my explanation above, but I'm just describing the basic idea of it.
Another way of thinking of it is: Record how much time it takes for a song at a given bpm to complete a full measure. Divide that time by 4. The resultant time represents how long a quarter note would last(of course).
If you wanted to get the amount of time a 1/4 note triplet would take, then you simply divide by 3 instead.
Another way of thinking about it: With your first hand, drum four notes on your desk, very slowly. (1,2,3,4) With your second hand, drum three evenly-timed beats for every 1 beat your first hand does (123,123,123,123).
Your first hand could be thought of as playing 1/4 notes; Your second hand could be thought of as playing 1/8th triplets.
.... and now I'll refer you to this thread, to address a loose end!
This description I'm about to make is not a precise answer really, just a quick-and-dirty so that you get the idea.
Nearly all dance music is in 4/4 time(1234,1234,1234,1234), and just about everything goes according to multiples of two or four, most the time. However, triplets are what happens when you take some interval of time, and start using multiples of three, instead.
As an exploration of the concept, imagine 1/4 notes in 4/4 time. (1234,1234,1234,1234)
You divide those quarter notes in half, you get 8ths. Divide those in half and you get 16ths. It makes clean sense: Every full measure, if separated into 16ths, is composed of exactly 16 notes.
But what do you do if you want to compose in, say, 3/4 time? (123,123,123,123)
In a way it'd make sense to use 1/3rd notes, 1/6th, 1/9th, but that's just a pain in the ass to get familiar with a whole new set of notes. It'd be useful to instead use the existing note 'hierarchy,' so that's sort of what ends up happening. Thus, a whole note would last 3 'counts,' 3 quarter notes would compose a full measure as the equivalent time to a whole note, and if you wanted to divide those quarter notes further you'd have six 8th notes... and then 12 16th notes if you divided it again. In the example you posted, those are called 1/8th triplets because those notes occupy the same 'tier' in the note hierarchy in 3/4 as 'normal' 1/8ths do in 4/4 time.
Triplets are what happens when you bring those 3/4 note timings into 4/4. Sometimes it sounds right, sometimes not; it depends on what timings were already being played in the song.
Again, I'm sure there's some flaws in my explanation above, but I'm just describing the basic idea of it.
Another way of thinking of it is: Record how much time it takes for a song at a given bpm to complete a full measure. Divide that time by 4. The resultant time represents how long a quarter note would last(of course).
If you wanted to get the amount of time a 1/4 note triplet would take, then you simply divide by 3 instead.
Another way of thinking about it: With your first hand, drum four notes on your desk, very slowly. (1,2,3,4) With your second hand, drum three evenly-timed beats for every 1 beat your first hand does (123,123,123,123).
Your first hand could be thought of as playing 1/4 notes; Your second hand could be thought of as playing 1/8th triplets.
.... and now I'll refer you to this thread, to address a loose end!
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- KVRAF
- 8563 posts since 2 Aug, 2005 from Guitar Land, USA
Triplets are 3 evenly tempoed notes to 1 beat of a measure.
My guitar teacher told me to say trip-el-et in my head as I play them.
My guitar teacher told me to say trip-el-et in my head as I play them.
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- KVRian
- 1084 posts since 12 Sep, 2008 from Your basement
Um, well...there are triplets which occupy a half a measure, a whole measure, an eighth note (3 sixteenth note triplets), etc.RunBeerRun wrote:Triplets are 3 evenly tempoed notes to 1 beat of a measure.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
Ok - you don't even know what a triplet is and you're asking people to go to you tube and make a midi?!?!?!! Do you imagine no problem with this approach?damargeo wrote:whats triplets
Sure there are actually people who'll do it!
I got a minute to waste so I'm going to relate some experience and maybe wisdom to yez.
When I was little and had no clue about something in music and wanted to figure it out, I worked with the assumption that you had to know something about playing, about music, something... a leetle teeny tiny bit anyways, before you delve in and expect it to 'happen'. If I grew up with the internet, I'd have some real information at my fingertips about 'rhythm', such as 'triplets'. I didn't, I got a handle on it anyhow.
First thing I ever learned with no book, just by ear, all the way learned, was 'Proud Mary' by Creedence.
The turnaround to that was MYSTIFYING to me. LOVED it, and had no clue about wtf just happinged.
As, I had no ear. No knowledge of, how chords worked. Now, if all I did was go ask another girl who 'knew' what just happinged here, would I now *have it* because she had done? No. She had done something, some work, so as to 'know', which I_Had_Not...
So, what to do?
I sang that change over and over (very simple, not tricky, totally normal change but New To Me) until I got my bearings on the little sort of key change it involves and could replicate it. Then - fortunately I knew some basic chords which kinda sorta included these ones - I went with the relative distance I could perceive by singing, by my ear, to these shapes on a guitar until - guess what? having it in my ear, in my head made that task kind of easy - I had it.
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If you never tapped out rhythms on your thigh or a table top and done discovered some things like in this example with your own hand, it's mystifying to you as that turnaround was to me. If you proceed without that, you're always going to depend on someone or, chances are some software to fill in that gap in your experience.
The big thing here is very simple: three in the time of two. Tap your foot in two and play even threes at the same time. Or, whatever you dig in that thing, emulate it by hand. PERIOD.
Do that kind of thing for a week and this kind of example will seem incredible cheesy to you as you are no longer mystified by something simple, and you'll have an understanding.
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- KVRAF
- 1595 posts since 17 Nov, 2007 from Seattle, WA
jancivil:
He was only asking what triplets were. He needn't be given shit for not knowing it, as everyone learned it somewhere. Nor is this is not a walk-before-you-run kind of thing.
Lighten up.
He was only asking what triplets were. He needn't be given shit for not knowing it, as everyone learned it somewhere. Nor is this is not a walk-before-you-run kind of thing.
Lighten up.