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amiga909 · Post by **amiga909** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:27 am

i've always been wondering about the 'deep phasing' effect. cuts thru ANY mix and has a queer psychoacoustic quality.

.. i know it sounds foolish what i say.. could all be imagination..

still, any1 can relate to the 'deep phasing' effect?

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:07 am

uvacom wrote:
UltraJv wrote:Sure, will need examples of code with proof its yours rather than just MP3s. No sneaky Googling like this :

http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Sco ... page1.html

All that shows its that its Phase distortion, as used by Casio on CZ synths many years back. Nothing special there.
That doesn't show anything germaine to the topic at all, and it's got nothing to do with phase distortion either. That sort of feedback isn't related to the self-modulation or whatever it is the JP-8000's oscillator does. Feedback is just a standard technique for constructing an oscillator in analog electronics, because when you feed back a phase-shifted copy of the output the response becomes oscillatory (as in, a boring ol' sine wave). Amplifiers also typically use lots of feedback, actually to reduce distortion.

I was being flippant. You do know that the jp8000 is entirely digital. Any oscillator/s it has, feedback or not is implemented in software. This means that its entirley do able on PC and in Reaktor, if you know to ignore what people say and emulate what you hear. Like many emulations, when someone nails it - I bet it turns out the effect will be comb/notch filter or similar. I also bet, people will say it dosnt sound right as it dosnt have a "feedback oscillator" lol

uvacom · Post by **uvacom** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:20 pm

I realize you were being flippant, but I also think you don't understand that circuit as well as you think you do.

Unless you were intending to be completely nonsensical.

But anyway, yes, the JP-8000's feedback oscillator could certainly be done in software. I have no idea why anybody thinks otherwise.

OBSOLETE165973 · Post by **OBSOLETE165973** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:33 pm

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adamszabo · Post by **adamszabo** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:41 pm

you talk the talk, but lets see if you walk the walk

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:46 pm

yobare wrote:i actually made a jp8000 like but not a complete clone its sumthing. But not like jp8000 mybe a little sounds good for electro house and more. Realy fat sound

link or stfu ...

Sweet Tooth · Post by **Sweet Tooth** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:48 pm

Try this...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :MESELX:IT

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:49 pm

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:16 pm

amiga909 wrote:i've always been wondering about the 'deep phasing' effect. cuts thru ANY mix and has a queer psychoacoustic quality.

.. i know it sounds foolish what i say.. could all be imagination..

still, any1 can relate to the 'deep phasing' effect?

I'm not sure you are. Well, perhaps you're crazy, but not on this topic.

I don't own (and probably never will) a JP8000 or 8080 but I've owned a bunch of Roland gear with on-board effects and honestly I've yet to hear a perfect software emulation of their "space" effects. Like the chorus on my VF-1 or SonicCell... nothing quite like it.

adamszabo · Post by **adamszabo** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:11 pm

zerocrossing wrote:Like the chorus on my VF-1 or SonicCell... nothing quite like it.

Got any samples of it?

HunterKiller · Post by **HunterKiller** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:48 pm

deastman wrote:
djanthonyw wrote:The only thing they emulated with the Jupiter 8 is the layout.
Arturia's track record

Huh?

fschd1 · Post by **fschd1** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:18 pm

ferdik wrote:Now when we got good emulations of Roland 909, 808, 303..(D16 Group) and the Minimoog (Arturia) Why isn't anyone doing the most asked for softsynth ever - JP8000?

I could easily pay 1000 € for the perfect one.

there is one on ebay for sale, i dont remeber the firms name but you can check out JP 8000 on ebay under synths and it should pop up.
best wishes
Fschd1

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:10 pm

adamtrance wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:Like the chorus on my VF-1 or SonicCell... nothing quite like it.
Got any samples of it?

Sadly I sold my VF-1... I'm not sure which of my recordings had it on it but I used it on guitar a lot. My old hardware rig was a Vox Tonelab SE into the VF-1 for reverb and other effects. The two units worked really well IMO because the Vox had good amp models and lack luster effects and the VF-1 had bad amp models and good effects. But I digress...

So all I have is my SonicCell these days and I don't use it as an audio interface (where it can be used as an effects processor) because it's stupidly set up. The audio ins get combined with the synth sounds. FAIL. But it's got that same effect, I hear it for sure. I'll try and make a little sample and post it.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:25 pm

The more I listen to posts of the JP8080 the less of a big deal I see in it. I guess the answer as to why it hasn't been emulated in software is because it's been surpassed. I could see spending a few hundred on something like it, but I don't get the $7-- + ebay prices that seem to be common. When I'm in the mood for trancy sounds I'll just spark up Galadiator.

brian higgins · Post by **brian higgins** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:45 pm

What about silentsynths *the horse*due for realease in early april,beta testing now.will retail 135 euro

Why no JP 8000 Emulation?