LittleOne, Little Phatty emulation

[Robinette]

Funny scandal.

I think Ingonator should lay low on this subject, he is clearly on "Team Xhun".
The intention might be to help, but it totally comes off the wrong way, and therefor doesn't do Xhung a favor.


Anyway....


I don't know if the possibilities of Synth Edit are too restricted, to create a virtual synthesizer that makes a difference, a synth that matters if you want.
Somebody mentioned Sylenth1. If that synth was created with Synth Edit, then it would be possible to create a substantial VSTi with Synth Edit. And not just some half-assed freeware.

The idea to emulate a "small" Moog synthesizer strikes me as interesting. But in order for this concept to work, the VSTi had to be phenomenal in recreating the original punch, kick, and sound of this particular Moog synthesizer.
Is that the case? I would like to read some critiques by musicians who know about the subject in and out.

There are other VSTi based on Moog synthesizers, with the Minimonsta being my favorite. But that doesn't mean that there is no room for a scaled down Moog. But it has to deliver. It soooooooooooooooo has to deliver in an oustanding way, cause otherwise it might just get in line with thousands of obscure freeware tools. Tools that do a little bit, something like the hardware it was modeled after, but then again......not really.
AKA, a waste of time.
And that should be the question here; after posting heaps of funny FAIL pictures and having a good laugh, does this VSTi deliver???
Claiming to emulate a Moog is a gutsy statement, does the "LittleOne" live up to it?


Here is an example of hot air that nobody needs, based on great instruments. The Superwave D909 & D808.
If those VSTi would deliver the sound of the hardware they were built after, it would be fantastic. And for 10$ a piece it would be the bargain of the century. So they don't have the internal drum-sequencer, who cares.
But the sound sucks! You might as well record tennis balls bouncing off a wall. It's light years away from the accomplishments of a D16 Group.


With that in mind, back to the "LittleOne"; does it deliver?


BTW, on a side note, the xhun-audio website needs a complete overhaul, it's terrible. Wouldn't you start by introducing your product to get customers interested?

[Ingonator]

Funny scandal.

I think Ingonator should lay low on this subject, he is clearly on "Team Xhun".
The intention might be to help, but it totally comes off the wrong way, and therefor doesn't do Xhung a favor.


I don't know if the possibilities of Synth Edit are too restricted, to create a virtual synthesizer that makes a difference, a synth that matters if you want.
Somebody mentioned Sylenth1. If that synth was created with Synth Edit, then it would be possible to create a substantial VSTi with Synth Edit. And not just some half-assed freeware.



The idea to emulate a "small" Moog synthesizer strikes me as interesting. But in order for this concept to work, the VSTi had to be phenomenal in recreating the original punch, kick, and sound of this particular Moog synthesizer.
Is that the case? I would like to read some critiques by musicians who know about the subject in and out.

1.) I am not in his "team", i just try to get a fair treatment for him as i would probably do for others if i would think it's right.

2.) The synth has more under the hood than many other big synth i used, IMHO of course. Big synths with lots of features are NOt always better. Sometimes it's the small things that give me a smile.

3.) Only the GUI of Sylenth1 was made with Synthedit, the rest was DSP code. Since version 2.0 everything is 100% "SE free". Would be difficult to release a Mac version if it was different, or ??

4.) For his first product the website doesn't look so bad.

BTW the trial version works 10 days without limitations. The copy protection of the commercial version is just a serial number so i expect no problems in the future.

5.) I am still waiting for some serious critiques of musicians here but it looks like some people are on a personal vendetta here. I also have better things to do than justifying myself in this thread. Originally i was just curious about a new synth and expecting a fair discussion about the synth but i guess i can forget this for the moment...


Conclusion:
I guess i was very patient and tried to explain my intentions several times but all i got back is more criticism and sarcasm.

[Fedorahat]

Just d/l'd the demo out of curiosity and this sounds absolutely nothing like a Little Phatty - and I've got one.

And the fact that the dev was using a cracked copy of synthedit - that's laughable.

There's no way he can redeem himself after this in my eyes. XhunAudio was heading for the bottom of the toilet from the start.

[Lotuzia]

Funny scandal.

I think Ingonator should lay low on this subject, he is clearly on "Team Xhun".
The intention might be to help, but it totally comes off the wrong way, and therefor doesn't do Xhung a favor.


I don't know if the possibilities of Synth Edit are too restricted, to create a virtual synthesizer that makes a difference, a synth that matters if you want.
Somebody mentioned Sylenth1. If that synth was created with Synth Edit, then it would be possible to create a substantial VSTi with Synth Edit. And not just some half-assed freeware.



The idea to emulate a "small" Moog synthesizer strikes me as interesting. But in order for this concept to work, the VSTi had to be phenomenal in recreating the original punch, kick, and sound of this particular Moog synthesizer.
Is that the case? I would like to read some critiques by musicians who know about the subject in and out.

1.) I am not in his "team", i just try to get a fair treatment for him as i would probably do for others if i would think it's right.

2.) The synth has more under the hood than many other big synth i used, IMHO of course. Big synths with lots of features are NOt always better. Sometimes it's the small things that give me a smile.

3.) Only the GUI of Sylenth1 was made with Synthedit, the rest was DSP code. Since version 2.0 everything is 100% "SE free". Would be difficult to release a Mac version if it was different, or ??

4.) For his first product the website doesn't look so bad.

BTW the trial version works 10 days without limitations. The copy protection of the commercial version is just a serial number so i expect no problems in the future.

5.) I am still waiting for some serious critiques of musicians here but it looks like some people are on a personal vendetta here. I also have better things to do than justifying myself in this thread. Originally i was just curious about a new synth and expecting a fair discussion about the synth but i guess i can forget this for the moment...


Conclusion:

I guess i was very patient and tried to explain my intentions several times but all i got back is more criticism and sarcasm.
So before i say something really bad i ban myself from this thread for at least some days.

Just chiming in to say that I know Ingo for quite a while now, having met him here and there on several occasions, and that I'm pretty sure he's not part of Xhun team, or whatever team. He just says what he truly thinks. Whether he's right or not, if there's any right or wrong in an appreciation on a synth, is another story. But that's probably why KVR is there : to allow us to debate on some subjects.

Out of curiosity I dl the demo and gave it a short go. Not bad sounding imho, not like the thing he claims to emulate however. Well nothing so special in fact. A bit better than some SE (or other synths) I tried, not better to the point of erasing from earth all its numerous competitors, by far. In fact it sounds honnestly pleasantly, but certainly not -all this imho- PhhhaAt. The sound is merely thin, in a very acceptable way though, and well, if it was not for the w...z thing, and beeing a bit pricey for what it offers, even with the promo, it could have been (or it is : you'll see that for yourself) a nice low cost synth.

Just my 0.002 here.

LtZ

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[Hlis93]

does 100 knobs make the synth better?

[himalaya]

I still don't understand why one would need Physical Modeling to emulate a (simple) Moog synth like the Little Phatty? I thought that it's mainly used to emulate brass, stringed instruments and such.

Read more on the Applied-Acoustics site. If I can quote the last paragraph:


Does physical modeling only apply to acoustic instruments?

This technology is definitely not limited to acoustic instruments. One can apply exactly the same approach to electronic instruments such as vintage synthesizers. In these cases, the computer solves in real-time models of how electric circuits used in vintage synths, filters, tube amps and effect processors functionned and behaved. The benefits are the same as for acoustic instruments. Indeed the models can reproduce the complex behavior of these electronic components resulting in sound as lively and rich as that of the hardware units. Ultra Analog VA-1 from AAS is a very good exemple of this


My only question is, how does SE allow to model the signal flow, or the sound of various components in an analogue synth ?

[OutCider]

lol is htis ysnth any good. Its like 10 knobs just wondering? What can u tweak here? hehe?

After downloading and testing this and your efforts, I think I'm qualified to offer an impartial opinion.

This little synth is emminently more usable than your nexus/v-station/world beaters.
The two synths of yours I've tried have been truly horrible, sonically and visually. You could learn alot from developers on here if you open your eyes and ears.
As a wannabe designer, just remember form follows function.

[Ingonator]

Currently i am working on a free bank for LittleOne which will include improvements (IMO...) and variations of the factory sounds and new sounds.

A first tip: For fatter sounds you should use the filter overload (mostly not used i the factory sounds) and/or the Distortion unit from the FX section.

lol is htis ysnth any good. Its like 10 knobs just wondering? What can u tweak here? hehe?

Just a small comment. If you are not able to program this softsynth you won't be able to use a real Little Phatty since the controls are almost identical (except the Sequencer/FX section).

For those who didn't recognize the 2 different synth sections could be accessed from the drop-down menu at the upper right side of the GUI.

[RunBeerRun]

I tried it, it goes good with pepperoni. I will not choice to buy, another day.

[thecontrolcentre]

lol is htis ysnth any good. Its like 10 knobs just wondering? What can u tweak here? hehe?

Still digging that hole, eh? Some people just never learn.

[breakmixer]

lol is htis ysnth any good. Its like 10 knobs just wondering? What can u tweak here? hehe?

Still digging that hole, eh? Some people just never learn.

I demo'd it, nice ui, looks proffesionally done, nice sound too, but when I started playing with it, it started to sound like my OP-X Pro a bit, lovely little synth but the price tag should only be £25-£30 full time, I'm sure it'd sell more at that kind of price. I think it an easy nice synth to learn on with a good sound...I'd buy it cheap if I was having a gear lust moment, but not the price they are wanting or would be wanting...

[chicken muffin]

i just want to chime in and ask. (as a strictly reason/record user where guis aren't important since they never change) have we gotten to the point in vst land where even if a synth sounds nothing like a synths its meant to emulate, people will buy it just to have a pretty piece of art? it seems people nowadays are choosing form over function. the developers a good artist ill give him that, but i mean really, that's what it seems like to me. people will actually pay money for a great looking plug even if it sucks. am i wrong?

[thecontrolcentre]

people will actually pay money for a great looking plug even if it sucks.

Looks that way