i for one would welcome your own critical opinion on my own pieces.generalstargazer wrote:it's too bad most people are afraid to voice their critical opinion on the crap that's released in the Music Cafe forum daily.
Sharing your music.... When it's not very good
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- addled muppet weed
- 111294 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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generalstargazer generalstargazer https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=221391
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Sweet!vurt wrote:i for one would welcome your own critical opinion on my own pieces.generalstargazer wrote:it's too bad most people are afraid to voice their critical opinion on the crap that's released in the Music Cafe forum daily.
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- KVRAF
- 21348 posts since 26 Jul, 2005 from Gone
There's a lot of crap being released in this thread right now. I kind of thought that there was unspoken agreement to give constructive criticism or praise, but I don't think there's any place to just voice your dislike for other people's music. It achieves nothing.generalstargazer wrote:it's too bad most people are afraid to voice their critical opinion on the crap that's released in the Music Cafe forum daily.
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generalstargazer generalstargazer https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=221391
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Go to any music blog where you can leave comments.robojam wrote:There's a lot of crap being released in this thread right now. I kind of thought that there was unspoken agreement to give constructive criticism or praise, but I don't think there's any place to just voice your dislike for other people's music. It achieves nothing.generalstargazer wrote:it's too bad most people are afraid to voice their critical opinion on the crap that's released in the Music Cafe forum daily.
People are too thin skinned nowadays.
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- KVRAF
- 21348 posts since 26 Jul, 2005 from Gone
Well if you get your kicks from that, fine. Personally I'd rather be more positive in my outlook, and if I don't like it I'll leave it at that - don't feel any need to tell someone I don't like their music.
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- 11839 posts since 23 Nov, 2004 from west of east
Certainly one issue with praise or criticism is the source. That is, the quality and value of the comments are only as good as the experience, knowledge and wisdom of the person making them. "I don't like" isn't nearly as helpful as "You might try..."
We escape the trap of our own subjectivity by
perceiving neither black nor white but shades of grey
perceiving neither black nor white but shades of grey
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- addled muppet weed
- 111294 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
the reason i used bold type when i asked for his opinion. hoping to point out the difference.eduardo_b wrote:Certainly one issue with praise or criticism is the source. That is, the quality and value of the comments are only as good as the experience, knowledge and wisdom of the person making them. "I don't like" isn't nearly as helpful as "You might try..."
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- KVRAF
- 37431 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
I don't care about it being "good", I create because I enjoy making music and it helps me express certain feelings and thoughts so if I remember to press record when I do so then why not share that enjoyment/feelings/thoughts with other people (in the hope that for some it will evoke resonances). It's a very strange concept to me that a work of creation must be of a certain standard before a person can share it with others. Music and art generally for me is primarily an act of communication and seeing/feeling rather than a product to be judged or sold - that is how art and music making developed - the "good" judging stuff came much later (with the rise of art as commerce and commodity) but it is not what art springs from - music as social communication and interaction came first.
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- 7936 posts since 18 Feb, 2003 from out there somewhere
interesting. all my *ahem* 'good' tracks have been fairly spontaneous affairs, I can't seem to force it. my output is entirely sporadic as a result...when it happens then I feel it's worth sharing, the laboured tracks never get shared.aMUSEd wrote:I don't care about it being "good", I create because I enjoy making music and it helps me express certain feelings and thoughts so if I remember to press record when I do so then why not share that enjoyment/feelings/thoughts with other people (in the hope that for some it will evoke resonances). It's a very strange concept to me that a work of creation must be of a certain standard before a person can share it with others. Music and art generally for me is primarily an act of communication and seeing/feeling rather than a product to be judged or sold - that is how art and music making developed - the "good" judging stuff came much later (with the rise of art as commerce and commodity) but it is not what art springs from - music as social communication and interaction came first.
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- KVRian
- 1255 posts since 18 May, 2004
I think most people (who don't write music anyway) can't imagine what isn't there so I'm very hesitant about sending anything that isn't up to a certain level of 'finished'. I find it annoying when you send someone something saying it's a work in progress and they say 'hi hat's a couple of db too loud' or 'the break doesn't quite work'
But it depends what level you're at I guess, if you're just trying things out it's always good to get feedback but as stated it shouldn't be presented as a final mix, something along the lines of 'does this chord progression work?'.
But to answer your question directly, for the level you're at, I can see you've got a strong idea of what you want and what level of quality is acceptable so I would say don't put anything out there you're not happy with or dilutes the quality threshold. In your sister's case I'd say get them on out there, the feedback will help and if people say it doesn't sound finished then maybe that will help her up her game.
Hope that helps
But it depends what level you're at I guess, if you're just trying things out it's always good to get feedback but as stated it shouldn't be presented as a final mix, something along the lines of 'does this chord progression work?'.
But to answer your question directly, for the level you're at, I can see you've got a strong idea of what you want and what level of quality is acceptable so I would say don't put anything out there you're not happy with or dilutes the quality threshold. In your sister's case I'd say get them on out there, the feedback will help and if people say it doesn't sound finished then maybe that will help her up her game.
Hope that helps
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- addled muppet weed
- 111294 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
da vincis last supper hasnt always been revered as a work of art.
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- 821 posts since 3 Oct, 2005
To me the answer depends entirely on where you want to go with your music.
eduardo drew a perfect middle line with this statement:
which is very true in a philosophical sense and when approaching music as a hobby, yet the exact opposite is true if you are trying to become known or make money or do something professionally with music. If this is your goal, then publicly releasing a bunch of sub-par music (knowing you have better stuff that you actually like) is like showing up to a job interview in pajamas and saying "I usually dress way better than this". While perhaps true, the first impression is made and that is the end of that job.
On the other hand, if you are doing it mostly for fun then there's really no harm in releasing whatever you like as long as you can take the feedback and the repercussions to your reputation\career whatever.
I personally don't release anything because I don't feel I've yet made anything I want to be 'known' for and I don't want to be in a position where I have to overcome previous negative opinions.
I'm from the school of thought that "bad" material and experiments are best left for EPs and boxed sets
I'm a little overwhelmed by the amount of amateur music on the net and sometimes think some people could really use a huge dose of self-criticism\self-censorship especially if their mouth is bigger than their talent, but am fully supportive and in awe of the freedom people have these days to create and share things like music and art.
eduardo drew a perfect middle line with this statement:
It's not a contest and you're not in competition with anyone.
which is very true in a philosophical sense and when approaching music as a hobby, yet the exact opposite is true if you are trying to become known or make money or do something professionally with music. If this is your goal, then publicly releasing a bunch of sub-par music (knowing you have better stuff that you actually like) is like showing up to a job interview in pajamas and saying "I usually dress way better than this". While perhaps true, the first impression is made and that is the end of that job.
On the other hand, if you are doing it mostly for fun then there's really no harm in releasing whatever you like as long as you can take the feedback and the repercussions to your reputation\career whatever.
I personally don't release anything because I don't feel I've yet made anything I want to be 'known' for and I don't want to be in a position where I have to overcome previous negative opinions.
I'm from the school of thought that "bad" material and experiments are best left for EPs and boxed sets
I'm a little overwhelmed by the amount of amateur music on the net and sometimes think some people could really use a huge dose of self-criticism\self-censorship especially if their mouth is bigger than their talent, but am fully supportive and in awe of the freedom people have these days to create and share things like music and art.
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- KVRAF
- 37431 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
I never need to force it as I have no aim as such - the expression for me is in the process itself. I think when we try to hard we can tend to lose sight of the process - maybe that's why you like your spontaneous pieces better.
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- KVRAF
- 4801 posts since 1 Aug, 2005 from Warszawa, Poland
What is good is highly relative. I don't like to share things I made, if I think they suck. Then many people think that things I like suck and vice versa, but this doesn't really matter.
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- KVRAF
- 7936 posts since 18 Feb, 2003 from out there somewhere
well, at the risk of sounding extremely pretentious -aMUSEd wrote:I never need to force it as I have no aim as such - the expression for me is in the process itself. I think when we try to hard we can tend to lose sight of the process - maybe that's why you like your spontaneous pieces better.
the thing is, I actually get really frustrated with the fact that I just can't switch it on and off. When it works, it just flows from me as if I have no control over it. And then it's gone (usually for a good few months
)Hey ho, good job I have a busy life elsewhere really