Sharing your music.... When it's not very good

[deaf dunderkwac]

I don't care about it being "good", I create because I enjoy making music and it helps me express certain feelings and thoughts so if I remember to press record when I do so then why not share that enjoyment/feelings/thoughts with other people (in the hope that for some it will evoke resonances). It's a very strange concept to me that a work of creation must be of a certain standard before a person can share it with others. Music and art generally for me is primarily an act of communication and seeing/feeling rather than a product to be judged or sold - that is how art and music making developed - the "good" judging stuff came much later (with the rise of art as commerce and commodity) but it is not what art springs from - music as social communication and interaction came first.

interesting. all my *ahem* 'good' tracks have been fairly spontaneous affairs, I can't seem to force it. my output is entirely sporadic as a result...when it happens then I feel it's worth sharing, the laboured tracks never get shared.

my laboured tracks are generally about using some new technique to achieve the same old results... They are exactly that and of course I share them.
The rest is akin to spontaneous combustion... created during extreme moments (I haz those).

[aMUSEd]

Sounds like Flow theory:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_%28psychology%29

being "in the flow" is very much bound up with creation when it works (amongst other things)

[eduardo_b]

I'm a little overwhelmed by the amount of amateur music on the net and sometimes think some people could really use a huge dose of self-criticism\self-censorship especially if their mouth is bigger than their talent, but am fully supportive and in awe of the freedom people have these days to create and share things like music and art.

I wonder if the emphasis on self-esteem in schools over the last decade plus hasn't resulted in younger people who have far more self confidence than talent and ability to back it up.

[vurt]

I'm a little overwhelmed by the amount of amateur music on the net and sometimes think some people could really use a huge dose of self-criticism\self-censorship especially if their mouth is bigger than their talent, but am fully supportive and in awe of the freedom people have these days to create and share things like music and art.

I wonder if the emphasis on self-esteem in schools over the last decade plus hasn't resulted in younger people who have far more self confidence than talent and ability to back it up.

isnt that what pop music has always been?
elvis for example, far more about looking good, being cool than being anything special musically.

[Arglebargle]

I'm a little overwhelmed by the amount of amateur music on the net and sometimes think some people could really use a huge dose of self-criticism\self-censorship especially if their mouth is bigger than their talent, but am fully supportive and in awe of the freedom people have these days to create and share things like music and art.

I wonder if the emphasis on self-esteem in schools over the last decade plus hasn't resulted in younger people who have far more self confidence than talent and ability to back it up.

I reckon crap musicians have always had egos, we just hear a lot more of it because of the interwebs.

[androidlove]

I wonder if the emphasis on self-esteem in schools over the last decade plus hasn't resulted in younger people who have far more self confidence than talent

[deaf dunderkwac]

I'm a little overwhelmed by the amount of amateur music on the net and sometimes think some people could really use a huge dose of self-criticism\self-censorship especially if their mouth is bigger than their talent, but am fully supportive and in awe of the freedom people have these days to create and share things like music and art.

I wonder if the emphasis on self-esteem in schools over the last decade plus hasn't resulted in younger people who have far more self confidence than talent and ability to back it up.

I reckon crap musicians have always had egos, we just hear a lot more of it because of the interwebs.

this is a different world than the world you grew up with. You can either accept that or reject that.

[whyterabbyt]

I wonder if the emphasis on self-esteem in schools over the last decade plus hasn't resulted in younger people who have far more self confidence than talent and ability to back it up.

and what evidence would justify making this fairly random hypothesis?

[Arglebargle]

I'm a little overwhelmed by the amount of amateur music on the net and sometimes think some people could really use a huge dose of self-criticism\self-censorship especially if their mouth is bigger than their talent, but am fully supportive and in awe of the freedom people have these days to create and share things like music and art.

I wonder if the emphasis on self-esteem in schools over the last decade plus hasn't resulted in younger people who have far more self confidence than talent and ability to back it up.

I reckon crap musicians have always had egos, we just hear a lot more of it because of the interwebs.

this is a different world than the world you grew up with. You can either accept that or reject that.

indeed????

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[vurt]

I wonder if the emphasis on self-esteem in schools over the last decade plus hasn't resulted in younger people who have far more self confidence than talent and ability to back it up.

and what evidence would justify making this fairly random hypothesis?

this explains it i believe.

[Hink]

Well if you get your kicks from that, fine. Personally I'd rather be more positive in my outlook, and if I don't like it I'll leave it at that - don't feel any need to tell someone I don't like their music.

I agree Mike and I dont agree, a blanketed statement like "I don't like your music" serves no purpose. "I don't like this song" followed by explanations is of course helpful. Personally I'm not looking for praise anymore, by the time my music gets heard (which it's been several years since I finished a song) the song has already accomplished what I wanted from it.

When I do post a song I'm looking for comments on pre picked points, things I'm curious on that I keep to myself. If someone attacks my music (which more often comes from non musicians and not here, but there are exceptions) I consider the source. (I actually have a particular KvR member in mind right now)

If they give reasons I do look at it and examine their opinion and decide on the validity of as it applies to my goals and what I was after. If it's one of the things I wondered about I get a clearer picture and my questions answered.

Sometimes it's what's not said that matters and sometimes if it's an attack from who and the nature of the attack matters more. Sometimes an attack is a compliment due to it's transparency. I have had people tell me I'm the worst guitarist they ever heard and I have a standard response for that. "Cool, people always remember the best and the worst".

[Chester Desmond]

I'm a little overwhelmed by the amount of amateur music on the net and sometimes think some people could really use a huge dose of self-criticism\self-censorship especially if their mouth is bigger than their talent, but am fully supportive and in awe of the freedom people have these days to create and share things like music and art.

I wonder if the emphasis on self-esteem in schools over the last decade plus hasn't resulted in younger people who have far more self confidence than talent and ability to back it up.

This could very well be. The fact that they never have to 'back it up' is kind of dangerous in my opinion; by which I mean there is no way to self assess when everything is "good".
"When everyone is special, no one is"

[vespers75]

it's too bad most people are afraid to voice their critical opinion on the crap that's released in the Music Cafe forum daily.

There's a lot of crap being released in this thread right now. I kind of thought that there was unspoken agreement to give constructive criticism or praise, but I don't think there's any place to just voice your dislike for other people's music. It achieves nothing.

Go to any music blog where you can leave comments.

People are too thin skinned nowadays.

No, some people are just generally more inclined to be assholes nowadays since they can hide behind the anonymity and physical safety of the internet.

Just making negative comments to someone simply because their endeavours don't fit your tastes serves little purpose (aside from trolling). I dislike alot of shit too, but if I don't like it I just ignore it. I don't have the need to tell them they suck or they are shit just because I personally don't like it.

[yellowfever]

I'm a little overwhelmed by the amount of amateur music on the net and sometimes think some people could really use a huge dose of self-criticism\self-censorship especially if their mouth is bigger than their talent, but am fully supportive and in awe of the freedom people have these days to create and share things like music and art.

I wonder if the emphasis on self-esteem in schools over the last decade plus hasn't resulted in younger people who have far more self confidence than talent and ability to back it up.

Do we know how old the OP is? MOK19 - how old iz you??? 19???

[yellowfever]

And @MOK19 - didn't you just win the latest tattiemannie contest with rogue? Your music can't be that bad mate. Release it to the world and let others be the judge; just be prepared for criticism, good or bad and ignore the mindless comments some idiots can and do make