sticky channel assignments

[Steviebone]

I have a suggestion. My system has 32 digital outputs. I've noticed that every time I change a plugin in a given rack I have to reset the output assignments. Seems silly to me. It would be nice to be able to set defaults for a rack so that when selecting synths, etc I don't have to constantly keep resetting the channel assignments.

Also, I have never been able to get the pass thru audio to work correctly within a rack. For some reason, if I add, say a reverb fx after a synth in the second slot following a synth in a rack, the audio of the synth is not automatically passed to the input of the next item in the chain... This is very frustrating and causes me to have to use the send to function instead, creating more racks than necessary, take up more outputs and making wet/dry a bit more cumbersome...

I'm probably just stupid and overlooking the obvious, but... any thoughts?

[TiUser]

1. I haven't checked this but maybe you can save "prototype racks" with the assignments you want and reload these? Other than that I agree that the master bus is not supported well with gui operations.

2. Automatically routing audio out to the next rack would have consequences for drag and drop as this would affect the total audio path then... What's so difficult setting the "send to" to the audio target i.e. any other rack containing the effects you want? Alternatively you can also use partial send like traditional aux sends on a mixer.

However in a single rack things should work - even if you might end up setting audio bus and wet/dry controls for each slot...

But maybe I missed your goal here?

[Steviebone]

hmm... I only have a moment here, but I was talking about routing audio to the next item in the same rack, not the another rack. This is something I thought worked once upon a time, and indeed the manual seems to indicate that it should, unless I'm missing something.

BTW, the only way I get the audio to route correctly using send to another rack (which would be fine for most fx) is by setting the output assignments to the same bus manually. If I just click send to using the menu I get no results until the assignments are manually, set, again each time a plugin is loaded.

Let me give you a specific example.

Rack 1 has a synth loaded. Merely adding a lexicon fx in the next slot of the same rack merely passes the audio from the synth to the output. The fx receives no input. Ever.

So instead I pull the fx and put it into its own rack. Then I set the send to to that rack instead of output. However, once again, there is never any input to the fx rack. To get it to work I must open rack 1 audio assigns and select two outputs, say ADAT21, ADAT22. Then I must go to the fx rack and assign 21,22 as the INPUTS. Then assign two more outputs, say 23,24 to get sound from the fx.

Not only is this cumbersome, I end up with 4 channels occupied on the board instead of two. 21,22 are dry, 23,24 are fx return. I would rather just use the wet/dry than 4 chans although the use of 4 chans has some benefits such as being able to place pan separately for dry and return fx. This also means that to get two units to share a single fx I must use the same output/input assigns yielding a mix of the two dry synths on the same bus (21,22) something of course I wouldn't want.

Really, I should be able to just add an effect to the next slot in a rack and have the audio automatically routed through slots in the rack. And the send to should NOT require me to assign output channels because this ends up routing audio to the board BEFORE the final signal in the chain.

I think the two problems may be related somehow.

Any thoughts? As much as I love Cantabile this is proving to be a major roadblock for me.

[TiUser]

Let me give you a specific example.

Rack 1 has a synth loaded. Merely adding a lexicon fx in the next slot of the same rack merely passes the audio from the synth to the output. The fx receives no input. Ever.

Think I have to pass this question to Brad...

... as I do sometimes what you describe, inserting effects after a synth in the same rack... I like the Luxonix LFX 1310 and it works that way as supposed. However it has it's own dry/wet control, but Cantabiles controls work too...

...so I guess I can't help here - haven't used this extensively or with complicated master bus configurations, just stereo so far.

[bradr]

Hi Steveiebone,

Just wanted to say this is an area of Cantabile that I will be addressing in the next version - specifically that ability for each rack to have it's own bus setup.

As for problem routing to the next plugin in a rack, this definitely works in a simple stereo setup, but I'm wondering if there's something about the way you've configured your session that's causing you problems... could you send me a sample session (preferably using free or demo available plugins) that shows this problem and I'll look into it.

Brad

[Steviebone]

a quick note to let Brad know Im working on this... the machine in question has a zooload of plugs... I'm going to create a separate vst directory with just a few free plugs and see what happens. Can you suggest some plugs you have access to?

[TiUser]

Just wanted to say this is an area of Cantabile that I will be addressing in the next version - specifically that ability for each rack to have it's own bus setup.
Brad

...I am curious what you'll come up with...