Vengeance Producer Suite: Metrum. DrumSynth

[Igro]

I wonder on which drugs the Vengeance guys were, when they set the price.
For 50€ I might have been worth a consideration .. but 150€, no way!

But he is Vengeance! That is why. At least he thinks so.

Anyway, they will sample sounds from Drumaxx.

[brok landers]

i haven't tested it yet, but if it does what it says, this could be the end of my search to creativeley build my bassdrums. and who the heck says, that it can't be used for other drumsounds, too?

...that's an interesting statement. As I really value your opinion - would you mind explaining what you think this thing does better than an ordinary sample with a decent drum sample library? I'm really lost here as I don't seem to get the concept of Metrum...

as i said, i haven't tried it up to now, so i can't comment if it does what i want ... but if it does what i think i could do by reading the specs here on the kvr batabase, it could be cool.

[Cyforce]

Guys? RELAX

Before this ends in a big war-topic

on a vengeance or refx topic? you still don't seem to know kvr.
for a lot of users here, vengeance/refx products, or for that matter, products leaning towards the tarnce/hypersaw-techno thingie and at the same time claim to be "professional", are a red flag per se and will ever be, based on no real ground whatsoever. well, kids these days ...

Hm that can be

But... they making good products. Nexus! And Metrum is also a cool plug i think. For me is there only negativ point, the price in relation to vlaue-for-money, specially in comparision with other developern which making also outstanding products, like U-He, FX-Pansion, CamelAudio, KV331, NI etc

[brok landers]

and who the heck says, that it can't be used for other drumsounds, too?

I say that.

Seriously brok... for "layering" without the OSC, there is ton of other stuff available already. Even RM IV works fine for that. >snip<

i know, i did not say anything different. question remains: how are you able to say that one cannot use it to create other percussion elements whatsoever?? have you tried it? i'm being picky here as theres always a bashing going on when it comes to vengeance/refx products (no matter if they're good or bad), also this thread leans partly to that side (though i'm not blaming you in particular for that). letting aside that it's from vengeance, have you actually worked with it, have you felt how it behaves to make such a definitive statement?

all i say is, that i always wanted something like this. even if i could create my stuff in another way, too. you know that i'm a sounddesigner, and if i know one thing in life to detail, it's how to create sounds, or for that matter, drumsounds. having one easy tool where i can freely create my drumsounds by layering samples/oscillation/having detailled envelopes buildt for that exact purpose i'd go for it. it all depends on if it actually delivers, if the components work well together. i've yet to check that, but the concept is certainly a nice one. and fvck if it's not new, it doesn't matter, if it delivers.
i'm not looking for something that invents the wheel, it's already there. i'm open for anything that enhances the smooth rolling of it.

and yes i say it now, as someone has to clear that up: one can never have too many virtual analog synths's for just that reason ...

[brok landers]

Guys? RELAX

Before this ends in a big war-topic

on a vengeance or refx topic? you still don't seem to know kvr.
for a lot of users here, vengeance/refx products, or for that matter, products leaning towards the tarnce/hypersaw-techno thingie and at the same time claim to be "professional", are a red flag per se and will ever be, based on no real ground whatsoever. well, kids these days ...

Hm that can be

But... they making good products. Nexus! And Metrum is also a cool plug i think. For me is there only negativ point, the price in relation to vlaue-for-money, specially in comparision with other developern which making also outstanding products, like U-He, FX-Pansion, CamelAudio, KV331, NI etc

i'm not defending the price here, but how do you know it is overpriced? have you actually tried it? maybe it delivers way better than other products, how do you know before you try it? i'd try it first, and base my statement on that outcome. that's my way of valueing the price of a product.

an example:
if there would be a one knob only compressor/limiter that would suddenly solve all my needs but costs 300€: would it be worth buying it? i mean it has just one knob, right, so it shouldn't be expensive?? try it to find out i say, then judge for yourself, then make your subjective statement.

[Cyforce]

Guys? RELAX

Before this ends in a big war-topic

on a vengeance or refx topic? you still don't seem to know kvr.
for a lot of users here, vengeance/refx products, or for that matter, products leaning towards the tarnce/hypersaw-techno thingie and at the same time claim to be "professional", are a red flag per se and will ever be, based on no real ground whatsoever. well, kids these days ...

Hm that can be

But... they making good products. Nexus! And Metrum is also a cool plug i think. For me is there only negativ point, the price in relation to vlaue-for-money, specially in comparision with other developern which making also outstanding products, like U-He, FX-Pansion, CamelAudio, KV331, NI etc

i'm not defending the price here, but how do you know it is overpriced? have you actually tried it? maybe it delivers way better than other products, how do you know before you try it? i'd try it first, and base my statement on that outcome. that's my way of valueing the price of a product.

an example:
if there would be a one knob only compressor/limiter that would suddenly solve all my needs but costs 300€: would it be worth buying it? i mean it has just one knob, right, so it shouldn't be expensive?? try it to find out i say, then judge for yourself, then make your subjective statement.

I see the features(looked them very intensiv - because metrum would be attractiv for me for expansion-build^^) and then i compare the price raw with other plugs.. and than i compare the price with other drum-tools - at the end, defintiv overpriced.

And compressors/limiter... look at stillwell - 1a quality and superb price! Or also d16 silver collection. YOu can say what you want - it your meaning, which i absolutly respect. But my meaning is - overpriced.

[mellotronaut]

What can you expect from Germans ...

careful, man, careful ...

well, he's one of the many incarnations of Lukas Sega

[brok landers]

>snip<
I see the features(looked them very intensiv - because metrum would be attractiv for me for expansion-build^^) and then i compare the price raw with other plugs.. and than i compare the price with other drum-tools - at the end, defintiv overpriced. >snip<
But my meaning is - overpriced.

based on reading the specs?? sorry, you're not qualified to judge over a product, if you base your knowledge pureley on downwritten specs. try it, then judge. could make a hughe difference ... not that i say it necessarily does in this particular case, but you'll never know if you don't try it, so you're never in the position to judge.

[brok landers]

>snip<
And compressors/limiter... look at stillwell - 1a quality and superb price!. >snip<

see, that's exactly what i mean:
no stillwell product did click for me at all (though one can hear they are high quality, it's just not what i need). but even if they would be higher priced, i wouldn't say that they would be overpriced then. for a lot of users the stillwell stuff is what they're looking for, and i bet quite some of them would pay a way higher price.
that said, the fine difference is: i actually tried them before i made my decision.

sorry for the OT, back to topic.

[Cyforce]

based on reading the specs?? sorry, you're not qualified to judge over a product, if you base your knowledge pureley on downwritten specs. try it, then judge. could make a hughe difference ... not that i say it necessarily does in this particular case, but you'll never know if you don't try it.

I watched also the videos etc... BUT i don't BUY a synth ONLY TO TEST HIM

And the videos also show the complet plugin.. with all this feature,s midikill reverb, modmatrix, the good envs, hp/lp each layer etc...

This all in all, is defintiv a good package(5th time where isay this) but the price is no matching. And slowly i wonder... first newsie/keilworth try to proselytize any how don't say "yes i want to buy it" ^^ and now you writing, like you wanna me proselytize to say "yes it's sooo cheap"

Looks not cool. Really... And no worry my knowlegde base is very good, also on stuff like codig/intern signalflows etc... i see fast what a plug in can and what now, and logical also than if the price is fair, and if I say that I think, its overpriced, you should respect the personally meaning of me, also like from every other...

[brok landers]

based on reading the specs?? sorry, you're not qualified to judge over a product, if you base your knowledge pureley on downwritten specs. try it, then judge. could make a hughe difference ... not that i say it necessarily does in this particular case, but you'll never know if you don't try it.

I watched also the videos etc... BUT i don't BUY a synth ONLY TO TEST HIM
>snip<

wait: there's no way to demo the plugin???????

[Cyforce]

>snip<
And compressors/limiter... look at stillwell - 1a quality and superb price!. >snip<

see, that's exactly what i mean:
no stillwell product did click for me at all (though one can hear they are high quality, it's just not what i need). but even if they would be higher priced, i wouldn't say that they would be overpriced then. for a lot of users the stillwell stuff is what they're looking for, and i bet quite some of them would pay a way higher price.
that said, the fine difference is: i actually tried them before i made my decision.

sorry for the OT, back to topic.

Ok direct comparision for 1a plugins:

Battery - 179€
up to 48 cells - like 48 metrum-layers, but this layer can MORE
the hole plugin can MORE
the factory is BIGGER

U-He ACE 79€
no drumtool, but state of art, with your phlospohie it should cost 799€ as vst.
absolut outstanding sound, next to synthsquad the best analog sound in the vst-world! for 79€...

such a list can be have 10-15 examples...
also on effect-tools...

so based on that i really wonder why you try to defense the high price of metrum... You know how it looks?

[Cyforce]

based on reading the specs?? sorry, you're not qualified to judge over a product, if you base your knowledge pureley on downwritten specs. try it, then judge. could make a hughe difference ... not that i say it necessarily does in this particular case, but you'll never know if you don't try it.

I watched also the videos etc... BUT i don't BUY a synth ONLY TO TEST HIM
>snip<

wait: there's no way to demo the plugin???????

GOOD MORNING!

NO DEMO
NO DEMO-MP of the expansions!

And daily greets the groundhog

[brok landers]

well, that's another base then of course. will have to watch the videos now ...

[rob_lee]

WOW an 8 page publicity stunt..Nice one