Possible bug?

[amagalma]

Hello!

When I load a session (with sub-sessions) that has bypassed plug-ins, all plug-ins sound as if they were not bypassed. I have to enable them one by one and bypass them again, in order to have them bypassed. Is this a bug? Or am I doing something wrong?

Thanks!

[TiUser]

Depends on how you "bypassed", with the arrow or the cross - and where.

If you use the arrow, all that goes into the rack is bypassed, i.e. external audio and midi.

To mute a rack use the cross.

With a rack both should mute the output but if you use the arrow in a rack slot the audio out of this slot is not muted - which is useful to retain sustain phases while switching subsessions - even this is a bit triccy anyway... In a rack slot the cross suspends the plugin i.e. stops it processing which preserves cpu and mutes the sound as well.


A bug? Well, try this: hold down a key and "bypass" this rack while still holding down the key. Does the sound fade down and mute anytime? If not there might be probably really a bug in midi treatment - but I doubt there are issues in simple cases i.e. without routing midi to other racks or using midi loop back devices where I am not too sure...

Hope this helps localizing the problem.

[amagalma]

Hello and thank you for replying!

I understand the difference between the "arrow" and the cross. Let me explain a little bit better what the problem is:
I have two racks loaded. The output of rack A goes into input of Rack B and the output of the latter goes to the output of my audio card.
I use Sub-sessions. Let's say that I use three Sub-sessions, Sub1, Sub2 and Sub3 and let's say that I use 3 plugins in Rack B.
Sub1 has slot 1 and 2 of Rack B bypassed (the "arrow")
Sub2 has only slot 2 of Rack B bypassed
Sub3 has all slots enabled

The problem is this: when I load the Session, Sub1 and Sub2 sound like Sub3, which is to say, as if none of the slots were bypassed! The "arrow" in the slot is red (bypassed) but the plugin is not! Thus, I have to manually enable and disable each slot and save each sub-session every time I load the Session, in order to make it work!

A bug? Well, try this: hold down a key and "bypass" this rack while still holding down the key. Does the sound fade down and mute anytime? If not there might be probably really a bug in midi treatment - but I doubt there are issues in simple cases i.e. without routing midi to other racks or using midi loop back devices where I am not too sure...

I am using Cantabile as an effects processor for my guitar. I process audio, not midi.

To me this seems like a bug..

[TiUser]

...hmmm... not sure as my experience is limited to synth plugins...

If I understand right when you set up the bypass manually all works?

Maybe you have to check out the subsession save behavior or save manually? Maybe that's stupid... no clue.

But to make sure again - bypass does not mute the output of bypassed rack slots...

...sorry, I think I can't help any further - so I may recommend asking Topten Software if you can't figure out what's wrong...

...and maybe there is a bug that should be resolved.

[amagalma]

When I load a Session the bypassed plugins are not bypassed; they are processing sound (as if they were not bypassed). That is the problem.

I have checked the sub-session save behaviour and there is nothing wrong, everything is checked.

I know that bypass does not mute the output of bypassed rack slots! I don't want them muted, I just want them bypassed!

Thank you very much for trying to help! I appreciate it! I 'll contact Brad about the problem.

[amagalma]

The same happens with the suspend button (the "cross"). Sub-sessions do not save correctly the bypassed and suspended slots. The buttons appear correctly on screen but the slots are not really bypassed or suspended.
Version 2052

[bradr]

The current experimental build has a partial fix for this. There's still one case where the rack bypass doesn't apply correctly, but I'm still working on a fix for it.

[bradr]

OK, I'm pretty sure this is now fixed in the experimental build:

http://www.cantabilesoftware.com/download/experimental

Brad

[amagalma]

Great! I 'll use the experimental build at the time being and I look forward to the stable official one.

[TiUser]

Great! I 'll use the experimental build at the time being and I look forward to the stable official one.

Did this solve your issue? Would be interesting to know...

[amagalma]

Yes, it did! But there is still a bug that has to do with "mix levels" in sub-session behaviour of rack slots.

[TiUser]

...maybe it's stupid mentioning this, but in my cantabile "mix levels", "partial send 1" and "partial send 2" are not set in a rack's subsession behavior by default. But I guess you've checked that already.

Is it again an issue directly after loading a new session?

[amagalma]

The bug is: if you check "mix levels" in a rack slot's sub-session behaviour, then when you load a sub-session, the rack slot's wet level is set to minimum (muted).

[bradr]

This is already fixed in the latest experimental build.

[amagalma]

The bug is: if you check "mix levels" in a rack slot's sub-session behaviour, then when you load a sub-session, the rack slot's wet fader level is set to minimum (muted).

I still experience this problem with the experimental build. The other bug that had to do with the bypassed/suspended plugins is fixed but this one still persists.