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stk wrote:Yawn. Wait for the clones with twice the power, at half the price, and the ability to run an uncrippled OS :tu:
Exactly!

I'm on the developer mailing list of Apple and honestly, topics related to Mac OS X are just sad and amateuristic, when it comes to iPhone it's sad even more, with topics about 64-bit Mac OS X I was almost crying, and when they released iPad it started to be just riddiculous :D.

Keep my work on Apple? Now that I know what is under the nice macbook/ipad cover... NEVER! :x

And btw. there are tablets for Windows for many years already. But Microsoft isn't claiming everywhere they discovered something new and special and doesn't make nice graphical presentations. Well, let's face it, Apple is a company of businessmen, not developers...
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Well some developers do believe in it, as I can state pretty obviously based on experience and success on the iPhone side (our past indicates that we'll likely do some work on iPad too, as you can guess, and we're still growing the iPhone part of it with some things other than GrooveMaker based on the iPhone market being what it is). There of course will be other platforms like there are versus the iPhone which is great. Developers (AKA businesses) will follow closely the market demands and develop accordingly.

iPad does have some great potential for music apps, I'd like to see an expanded version of the Cubase app for example, and with what I recall as 12 touch points and the bigger screen there really can be some good interactive uses.

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brambos wrote:
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brambos wrote:I'll take a hyper polished, well-thought-through user experience and a super innovative touch-screen paradigm over a bit of extra power any day.. Thank you very much.
He he. Hyperbole extravaganza. Boooooring. :)
Hyperbole? Perhaps.

Is the iPad's UI extremely polished? Check. All the demo videos (and experience with its older iPhone brother) should provide enough evidence for that. Apple are known to be perfectionists when it comes to orchestrating their user interfaces.

Is the iPad's user experience well-thought through? Check. It was built from the ground up around the multi-touch screen concept - as opposed to Windows 7 which just has some touch features stuck on top of a Mouse/Keyboard OS.

Does it have an innovative touch-screen paradigm? Well.. I think the iPhone (and the dozens of copy-cats that followed) proved that we don't need to discuss that any further. So.. check.

As much as the techies would like the iPad to fail because it doesn't have [insert esoteric features here], normal human beings and creative developers are going to be all over this thing - leaving the competition in the dust.
the well thought out user experience (what ever that means) is all rather dependant on external programmers doing a good job - none of the stuff it ships with is worth a funk

Any software made available for it could be made to work just as well on a multi touch windows 7 screen too - and if there is money to be made there will be

But this is all conjecture

On the other hand the lack of connectivity, lousy resolution and poor cpu of the ipad is a matter of record

I loved the iphone but the ipad is such a massive dud it's a big mobile that can't make calls - all it has over nokias n810 (from years ago) is multi-touch(which is not half as important as you make out) and a massive marketing department- YMMV
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It's just incredible how many people still seem to be incapable to look past spec-sheets.

Spec-obsession is sooo last century. It's the orchestration of the user experience and the convenience of product/service ecosystems that counts in the real world (i.e. outside the techie-community) these days.

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brambos wrote:It's just incredible how many people still seem to be incapable to look past spec-sheets.

Spec-obsession is sooo last century. It's the orchestration of the user experience and the convenience of product/service ecosystems that counts in the real world (i.e. outside the techie-community) these days.
Well, I look at my EMU Xboard 49 keyboard controller with its 16 REAL knobs and 2 wheel controllers that I can assign to anything, it is less than half the cost of ipad and I wonder why anyone would bother with trying to make ipad into something it isnt. Buy the right tool for the job.

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UltraJv wrote:
brambos wrote:It's just incredible how many people still seem to be incapable to look past spec-sheets.

Spec-obsession is sooo last century. It's the orchestration of the user experience and the convenience of product/service ecosystems that counts in the real world (i.e. outside the techie-community) these days.
Well, I look at my EMU Xboard 49 keyboard controller with its 16 REAL knobs that I can assign to anything, it is less than half the cost of ipad and I wonder why anyone would bother with trying to make ipad into something it isnt. Buy the right tool for the job.
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brambos wrote:Spec-obsession is sooo last century. It's the orchestration of the user experience and the convenience of product/service ecosystems that counts in the real world (i.e. outside the techie-community) these days.
Spoken like a true Apple fan. "It's the perception of what's possible, not the reality of what is that really counts"... or some such outside-the-box gobbleygook. Come on, the ipad is a neat little toy for reading emails and ebooks, but as a serious platform for anything beyond "cool user experience" it is underpowered, non-scalable, and proprietary. Heck, you can't even connect to the NI website to download a softsynth or a sample library! :lol: (Not that you could store anything but the smallest sample library on an ipad).

For a couple hundred more you could buy a laptop with 10x the horsepower and scalability... oh, and if you need to run more than one app at a time you can do that too. What do I care? Go spend your money. The US economy needs it.

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In David Pogue's review of the iPad in the NYT he divided it into two audiences. For techies the iPad is lame, but for everyone else -- consumers of ebooks, videos, photos -- it's great. However, given how unusable the keyboard is, it's not for those doing lots of correspondence or writing. Anyone with a laptop and smartphone probably doesn't need it. It's also not inexpensive and the data account with AT&T is another $30 per month on top of any other plan. To me the iPad is, once again, selling the sizzle, not the steak.
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Hey, I can relate to the feeling that the iPhone seems a little small some times, but to pontificate about the user experience as if people who don't buy ipads for valid reasons aren't users or don't experience correctly is just lame.
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MeldaProduction wrote:And btw. there are tablets for Windows for many years already.
I have two sitting right in front of me. Both have voice and handwriting recognition, big fat hard drives and lots of memory. The Fujitsu 5010 is my main computer. It's a convertible laptop. The screen flips around to create a tablet. The HP TC1100 is my slate. The 1100 is about $200 used the Fujitsu is about $800.

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tomg wrote:
MeldaProduction wrote:And btw. there are tablets for Windows for many years already.
I have two sitting right in front of me. Both have voice and handwriting recognition, big fat hard drives and lots of memory. The Fujitsu 5010 is my main computer. It's a convertible laptop. The screen flips around to create a tablet. The HP TC1100 is my slate. The 1100 is about $200 used the Fujitsu is about $800.
Perfect for K-pop and J-pop me thinks. :wink:
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eduardo_b wrote:
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MeldaProduction wrote:And btw. there are tablets for Windows for many years already.
I have two sitting right in front of me. Both have voice and handwriting recognition, big fat hard drives and lots of memory. The Fujitsu 5010 is my main computer. It's a convertible laptop. The screen flips around to create a tablet. The HP TC1100 is my slate. The 1100 is about $200 used the Fujitsu is about $800.
Perfect for K-pop and J-pop me thinks. :wink:
It's true that you can indeed watch K-pop vids on youtube but what they are really good for is doing precision schematic and pc board design. :D :hihi:

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interesting topic,

Thanks guys for all the insights :tu:
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kbaccki wrote:
brambos wrote:Spec-obsession is sooo last century. It's the orchestration of the user experience and the convenience of product/service ecosystems that counts in the real world (i.e. outside the techie-community) these days.
Spoken like a true Apple fan. "It's the perception of what's possible, not the reality of what is that really counts"... or some such outside-the-box gobbleygook.

We'll see in a couple of months.

Maybe the iPad will be a big flop, like all the technology-tinkerers are hoping, maybe it will really prove to be a game changer and a *lot* of people will be buying it (and using it for things most of us here can't even predict yet).

I'm betting on the latter.

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