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brambos wrote:
kbaccki wrote:
brambos wrote:Spec-obsession is sooo last century. It's the orchestration of the user experience and the convenience of product/service ecosystems that counts in the real world (i.e. outside the techie-community) these days.
Spoken like a true Apple fan. "It's the perception of what's possible, not the reality of what is that really counts"... or some such outside-the-box gobbleygook.

We'll see in a couple of months.

Maybe the iPad will be a big flop, like all the technology-tinkerers are hoping, maybe it will really prove to be a game changer and a *lot* of people will be buying it (and using it for things most of us here can't even predict yet).

I'm betting on the latter.
I think it's going to be successful. Even though I wouldn't find one useful, I think people will be happy with what an iPad can do.

A real tablet computer is great. I've been a tablet supporter for a long time because doing millions of clicks kills my fingers/hand/arm. A touch screen is neat but I need a Wacom digitizer and a stylus for the precision and I need to rest my palm on the screen while I work.

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This is cool. I've had a pile of paper, highlighters and colored pens in various working conditions as long as I can remember. It's gone and pens never explode in my pocket anymore. With Microsoft Onenote you also get "Ink" that you can cut, copy, paste, search and convert to text. I can always go back and edit a drawing rather than start over. In my life, this is revolutionary. BTW this is all running on XP Tablet edition. I haven't installed it yet but they say Win7 is much better at doing all of this.

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In all honesty the iPad is just a nifty gadget that has a lot of convenience and a good price (It is severely limited by Apples restrictions)

But Apple is going to evolve to true tablet macs which will hopefully be able to run Windows or something maybe linux would be cool and then with the touch screen IT WILL become something truly important

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brambos wrote:
kbaccki wrote:
brambos wrote:Spec-obsession is sooo last century. It's the orchestration of the user experience and the convenience of product/service ecosystems that counts in the real world (i.e. outside the techie-community) these days.
Spoken like a true Apple fan. "It's the perception of what's possible, not the reality of what is that really counts"... or some such outside-the-box gobbleygook.

We'll see in a couple of months.

Maybe the iPad will be a big flop, like all the technology-tinkerers are hoping, maybe it will really prove to be a game changer and a *lot* of people will be buying it (and using it for things most of us here can't even predict yet).

I'm betting on the latter.
It's not likely to be a game changer. The interviews done with prospective buyers come down to not needing it and not wanting to spend that much money. It's neither laptop nor smartphone, which most people already have, so Apple must create a market for a device that isn't necessary to most people...with the exception of Appleholics, who buy anything the company makes.
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eduardo_b wrote:Apple must create a market for a device that isn't necessary to most people...with the exception of Appleholics, who buy anything the company makes.
I think the entry level market is already there. The iPad is not going to appeal to current computer users that need and already have power but there may be enough iPhone users ready to take the next step to make it successful. It's going to be super easy to use and maintain. We are all used to it but the mouse interface and bloat OS's really suck and need to be replaced.

Not supporting Flash... There is no other way to say it.... Is a huge mistake right now but it may not matter in a year or two and that's how long it takes Apple to get to a 2nd or 3rd generation device.

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tomg wrote:
eduardo_b wrote:Apple must create a market for a device that isn't necessary to most people...with the exception of Appleholics, who buy anything the company makes.
I think the entry level market is already there. The iPad is not going to appeal to current computer users that need and already have power but there may be enough iPhone users ready to take the next step to make it successful. It's going to be super easy to use and maintain. We are all used to it but the mouse interface and bloat OS's really suck and need to be replaced.

Not supporting Flash... There is no other way to say it.... Is a huge mistake right now but it may not matter in a year or two and that's how long it takes Apple to get to a 2nd or 3rd generation device.
For consuming content, yes, the iPad may be the next step for an iPhone owner, but that's pretty much it. I happen to think leaving out Flash is going to be a short-term decision that will be fixed in the next generation of iPads. Why? Because Flash is everywhere and not going away because of the iPad. All the white spaces on web pages where Flash content goes will irritate iPad users, and they'll show their friends...who won't buy an iPad. The iPad isn't the iPhone and will not have the same attraction to the market. And it's too expensive for an impulse purchase, particularly with the additional data plan.
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I think I'll wait until it is actually available before I pass judgement. Funny how some of you guys "know" it is underpowered when the CPU is a new design specifically for this product. If Windows tablet PCs, which have been out for years, where so great why are ya'll talking about about the ipad? I have never seen anyone use a tablet PC, much less make music or play a show with one. Maybe Apple has finally made a tablet PC that isn't lame. Since I've not used one, I don't know.

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MeldaProduction wrote:Exactly!

I'm on the developer mailing list of Apple and honestly, topics related to Mac OS X are just sad and amateuristic, when it comes to iPhone it's sad even more, with topics about 64-bit Mac OS X I was almost crying, and when they released iPad it started to be just riddiculous :D.

Keep my work on Apple? Now that I know what is under the nice macbook/ipad cover... NEVER! :x

And btw. there are tablets for Windows for many years already. But Microsoft isn't claiming everywhere they discovered something new and special and doesn't make nice graphical presentations. Well, let's face it, Apple is a company of businessmen, not developers...
You're a fool. You're a Mac developer who slams Macs? Great business model you've got there. Your software made the front page a few days ago with the MDrummer release, and I spent quite a bit of time reviewing your offerings. Everything looks great, and your prices are good, but will I be buying any of your software after reading your Apple-bashing rant? To quote you... NEVER! :x

You clearly don't respect me or my platform of choice, for which you develop. Now I know that you've put no love into the Mac versions of your software, and that you have no problem insulting Apple and their user base, who make up a disproportionately large percentage of the professional musician market. I can only conclude from this that you're not very smart, from which I will infer that your plugins aren't very good, either.

You're a "riddiculous" amateur and a poor businessman, and your company will never get a second look from me.
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unpeople wrote:
MeldaProduction wrote:Exactly!

I'm on the developer mailing list of Apple and honestly, topics related to Mac OS X are just sad and amateuristic, when it comes to iPhone it's sad even more, with topics about 64-bit Mac OS X I was almost crying, and when they released iPad it started to be just riddiculous :D.

Keep my work on Apple? Now that I know what is under the nice macbook/ipad cover... NEVER! :x

And btw. there are tablets for Windows for many years already. But Microsoft isn't claiming everywhere they discovered something new and special and doesn't make nice graphical presentations. Well, let's face it, Apple is a company of businessmen, not developers...
You're a fool...
There are ways to say what you feel without being insulting or excessively angry. And it will also prevent you from being banned.

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unpeople wrote:
MeldaProduction wrote: You clearly don't respect me or my platform of choice, for which you develop. Now I know that you've put no love into the Mac versions of your software, and that you have no problem insulting Apple and their user base, who make up a disproportionately large percentage of the professional musician market. .
What is it that causes people to take comments directed towards a given OS/platform/app/device personally? Seriously, are you a Mac, or an iPhone, or iPad, et cetera? No, you're not. You're a person (or an onine Turing machine with an interesting personality matrix). So how is someone disrespecting you by making negative comments about a piece of hardware you didn't make, and some software you didn't write, made by a company for which you do not work?

Note, I'm not trying to pick on you the individual. There are tons, literally tons of people online who have similar responses. And I just...don't...get...it. It's like sports fandom taken to the nth geeky degree.
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Henry Greer wrote:I think I'll wait until it is actually available before I pass judgement. Funny how some of you guys "know" it is underpowered when the CPU is a new design specifically for this product. If Windows tablet PCs, which have been out for years, where so great why are ya'll talking about about the ipad? I have never seen anyone use a tablet PC, much less make music or play a show with one. Maybe Apple has finally made a tablet PC that isn't lame. Since I've not used one, I don't know.
Its certainly not a new design - its based on ARM cortex A9 (phone CPU)- Its CPU is underpowered - its been reviewed, faster than an iphone - not a world changer :

http://www.maclife.com/article/feature/ ... t_apple_a4

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Underpowered for what? My iPhone runs every single iPhone application just fine. At the very least, the iPad should perform just as well. I am not seeing much difference between the current iPhne apps and what is being released for the iPad.
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dan_s wrote:Underpowered for what? My iPhone runs every single iPhone application just fine. At the very least, the iPad should perform just as well. I am not seeing much difference between the current iPhne apps and what is being released for the iPad.
Underpowered for the hype. As you said - bigger iphone is what it really is.

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dan_s wrote:Underpowered for what? My iPhone runs every single iPhone application just fine. At the very least, the iPad should perform just as well. I am not seeing much difference between the current iPhne apps and what is being released for the iPad.
Just slightly degraded screen resolution running iPhone apps on iPad from what I've read.
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i made the following chart, which helped me decide i was going to get one.

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unpeople wrote:
MeldaProduction wrote:Exactly!

I'm on the developer mailing list of Apple and honestly, topics related to Mac OS X are just sad and amateuristic, when it comes to iPhone it's sad even more, with topics about 64-bit Mac OS X I was almost crying, and when they released iPad it started to be just riddiculous :D.

Keep my work on Apple? Now that I know what is under the nice macbook/ipad cover... NEVER! :x

And btw. there are tablets for Windows for many years already. But Microsoft isn't claiming everywhere they discovered something new and special and doesn't make nice graphical presentations. Well, let's face it, Apple is a company of businessmen, not developers...
You're a fool. You're a Mac developer who slams Macs? Great business model you've got there. Your software made the front page a few days ago with the MDrummer release, and I spent quite a bit of time reviewing your offerings. Everything looks great, and your prices are good, but will I be buying any of your software after reading your Apple-bashing rant? To quote you... NEVER! :x

You clearly don't respect me or my platform of choice, for which you develop. Now I know that you've put no love into the Mac versions of your software, and that you have no problem insulting Apple and their user base, who make up a disproportionately large percentage of the professional musician market. I can only conclude from this that you're not very smart, from which I will infer that your plugins aren't very good, either.

You're a "riddiculous" amateur and a poor businessman, and your company will never get a second look from me.
I think MeldaProduction knows what he's talking about as he developes Software for OSX. Why not let him tell us what his experiences are with the OSes he's programing for. Everything he wrote is either true or his experiences. So do not feel bashed. Some friends of mine often tell me what idiot I am still using windows as OSX is defenitely supirior.
After looking at the link of the OP I think I am possible to get an iPad. There will be cool tools for it.

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