The future with iPad - really worth a look

[Hovmod]

The really impressive feat is pulling the wool over Brambos' eyes so thoroughly.
Saying that the iPhone CAN multitask but doesn't because of a corporate decision and making this into a PLUS makes the rest of us lol, you know.

[tomg]

iPhoneOS is fully multitasking. Hence Apple's ipod music app runs nicely while browsing with safari. They just disabled it for third party apps. Not an OS limitation.

Something tells me you have never used an iphone/ipod touch nor programmed for one.

Running background tasks is a form of multitasking called task switching but it's is not the same thing as opening multiple applications. It says here that Apple actually said the iPhoneOS was OSX as long as they could. So there is misinformation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS

It's also says that...

Mac OS X applications cannot be copied to and run on an iPhone OS device. The applications must be written and compiled specifically for the iPhone OS and the ARM architecture.

If that's true that means that OSX and iPhoneOS are about as close as Windows and OSX.

Like I said call it OSX if you like but I bet they left something out if it uses less than 500 megabytes of the device's memory.

[unpeople]

Actually it's not OSX at all, it's called the PhoneOS. Not even anywhere near the same code. OSX runs on Intel processors, PhoneOS runs on ARM processors.

Yes, I know all about the ARM processor. OS X is a direct descendent of NeXTSTEP, which was abstracted to run on a variety of microprocessors, including Intel IA-32, Sun SPARC, PowerPC, and HP PA-RISC. ARM is just another abstraction layer to OS X.

You can't do much of that on a iPad yet either and might not.

Actually, you can:

(NOTE: actual screenshots from shipping iPad-specific or iPad-compatible products, linked to their respective vendors.)

[unpeople]

The really impressive feat is pulling the wool over Brambos' eyes so thoroughly.
Saying that the iPhone CAN multitask but doesn't because of a corporate decision and making this into a PLUS makes the rest of us lol, you know.

He didn't say it was a plus, he was succinctly refuting the lame argument that iPhone OS isn't OS X because it can't multitask. It can, and does.

[Maadfoo]

In my opinion the Ipad is just a toy of course. And brambros makes it more professional or OSX-like than it actually is. Lets see what developers are able to program for it. Until now I saw some very interesting appz and the iElectribe is really cool...

[tomg]

Actually it's not OSX at all, it's called the PhoneOS. Not even anywhere near the same code. OSX runs on Intel processors, PhoneOS runs on ARM processors.

Yes, I know all about the ARM processor. OS X is a direct descendent of NeXTSTEP, which was abstracted to run on a variety of microprocessors, including Intel IA-32, Sun SPARC, PowerPC, and HP PA-RISC. ARM is just another abstraction layer to OS X.

You can't do much of that on a iPad yet either and might not.

Actually, you can:

That's all very nice but where do I hook up my midi keyboard and plug in my guitar and mic? Can I use a quality audio interface? How do I use it as a midi controller for external devices or record the midi output into a sequencer? Matter of fact where do I plug up my USB camera? You can do all of that on a $300 netbook and watch flash.

[brambos]

You can do all of that on a $300 netbook and watch flash.

Then buy a $300 netbook, go watch flash, and stop trolling this thread with nonsense.

[unpeople]

Running background tasks is a form of multitasking called task switching but it's is not the same thing as opening multiple applications.

You're spewing a lot of misinformation out of belligerent ignorance. Your arguments probably sound smart to stupid people, but they sure sound stupid to smart people. For example, having the iPod software playing in the background on an iPad while surfing the web in Safari is not an example of task switching. It's an example of multitasking. You also don't understand the difference between an operating system and a user interface, and you seem to believe that the same operating system can't exist on two or more processors, because you don't understand the concept behind hardware abstraction layers. You're adamantly wrong, and proud of it. That's no way to go through life.

[The Chase]

I already have a desktop and a laptop. The iPad is a new category, with *new* applications and new ways of doing things. So try and think outside the box; conventions are bound to be broken when new categories are introduced.

I would have expected the creative/musical community to realize the potential of this new paradigm earlier than the rest of the world, to be honest.

What is this 'new' category that iPad falls into? I'm really curious.

Something between smartphone and laptop. It's where Netbooks are now used, but rather inappropriately/awkwardly because of their formfactor and cramped keyboards and miniature touchpads. E.g. on the couch, in bed, in the park, on the train, etc.

Isn't that what tablets have always been? The kind that have had on-screen keyboards for 5+ years now?

The really impressive feat is pulling the wool over Brambos' eyes so thoroughly.
Saying that the iPhone CAN multitask but doesn't because of a corporate decision and making this into a PLUS makes the rest of us lol, you know.

He didn't say it was a plus, he was succinctly refuting the lame argument that iPhone OS isn't OS X because it can't multitask. It can, and does.

Kind of.

[Maadfoo]

Running background tasks is a form of multitasking called task switching but it's is not the same thing as opening multiple applications.

You're spewing a lot of misinformation out of belligerent ignorance. Your arguments probably sound smart to stupid people, but they sure sound stupid to smart people. For example, having the iPod software playing in the background on an iPad while surfing the web in Safari is not an example of task switching. It's an example of multitasking. You also don't understand the difference between an operating system and a user interface, and you seem to believe that the same operating system can't exist on two or more processors, because you don't understand the concept behind hardware abstraction layers. You're adamantly wrong, and proud of it. That's no way to go through life.

It would be more than ridiculous if the Ipad wasn't able for multitasking. I mean, my 2,5 year old Sony Erricson Phone can do this.
But will it be possible to run a drumcomputer and the ielectribe at the same time on the IPad?
Maybe with a sequencer to arrange both...now that would be cool.

[unpeople]

That's all very nice but where do I hook up my midi keyboard and plug in my guitar and mic? Can I use a quality audio interface? How do I use it as a midi controller for external devices or record the midi output into a sequencer? Matter of fact where do I plug up my USB camera? You can do all of that on a $300 netbook and watch flash.

Like I said above, belligerent ignorance. Here are your answers:

Line 6 MIDI Mobilizer
Together with an Apple iPhone or iPod touch, and the free MIDI Memo Recorder app, MIDI Mobilizer can play, record, and backup MIDI information any time, any place. Whether you want to capture a quick musical idea or back up the settings of all your MIDI gear, MIDI Mobilizer is the most simple and compact solution for everything MIDI.

Apple iPad Camera Connection Kit
The iPad Camera Connection Kit gives you two ways to import photos and videos from a digital camera: using your camera's USB cable or directly from an SD card. iPad supports standard photo formats, including JPEG and RAW.

BLUE Mikey (Spring 2010 Version with Line Input)
Now featuring two custom-tuned Blue capsules for stereo recording, a line-input, USB pass through and a stylish updated 230-degree rotating design, it's the perfect mic for the iPod or iPhone.

[unpeople]

But will it be possible to run a drumcomputer and the ielectribe at the same time on the IPad?
Maybe with a sequencer to arrange both...now that would be cool.

The rumor is that iPhone OS 4.0 will allow third-party multitasking, and sport an Exposé interface to switch between apps:

Apple's iPhone 4.0 to support multitasking via Expose-like interface

[aMUSEd]

The really impressive feat is pulling the wool over Brambos' eyes so thoroughly.
Saying that the iPhone CAN multitask but doesn't because of a corporate decision and making this into a PLUS makes the rest of us lol, you know.

He's right though. This is why Jailbroken iPhones can multitask - the capability is there in the OS, Apple have just disabled the capability for more than one app to run in the foreground (annoyingly yes) and put controls on what is allowed to run in the background. However, even on a non jailbroken iPhone there are always several tasks running at once in the background (including mail servers and even some third arty apps that are allowed to send push notifications can run in the background). You can get an app called Memory Info that shows which tasks are running (like task manager) and right now I have about 8 so it definitely does multitask.

[aMUSEd]

But will it be possible to run a drumcomputer and the ielectribe at the same time on the IPad?
Maybe with a sequencer to arrange both...now that would be cool.

The rumor is that iPhone OS 4.0 will allow third-party multitasking, and sport an Exposé interface to switch between apps:

Apple's iPhone 4.0 to support multitasking via Expose-like interface

There we go:

Today's iPhone 3.x firmware is a fully preemptive multitasking operating system, but it artificially restricts apps (other than specific ones bundled with the system by Apple) from running in the background.

[jonnyG]

Keep the noise down kiddies, I'm trying to listen to the football.

Honestly, if some of you guys took a step back and read through this drivel you'd realise that you really do need to get a collective life. Go make some music. I'm sure you all have enough toys to go do that right now without having to argue the pros and cons of the next new gadget.