KVR Audio

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:15 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
states wrote:as a matter of fact, i do own most of them.
you've owned most of the 30 real polyKBs that were made? wow.

must be worth a fortune..well, they were until the 'best ever' VST version was made and made them redundant

states · Post by **states** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:10 pm

for f@ck's sake, Kriminal ! no, of course i don't own all the KOBOLs ever made !!! are you just taking the piss, or are you playing stupid in order to start some pointless flaming ? what kind o f childish attitude is this ?

SWAN808 · Post by **SWAN808** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:11 pm

Kriminal wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
states wrote:as a matter of fact, i do own most of them.
you've owned most of the 30 real polyKBs that were made? wow.
must be worth a fortune..well, they were until the 'best ever' VST version was made and made them redundant

whats your opinion on Polykb so far?

or are you waiting for the dongle-free version?

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:12 pm

states wrote:for f@ck's sake, Kriminal ! no, of course i don't own all the KOBOLs ever made !!! are you just taking the piss, or are you playing stupid in order to start some pointless flaming ? what kind o f childish attitude is this ?

i didnt say you owned all of them, you did....what sort of childish game is that?

tell the truth, it wont kill you.

i was curious as to why you think its the best soft emu ever..as in do you own the original to compare it too? simple question

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:16 pm

SWAN808 wrote:
Kriminal wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
states wrote:as a matter of fact, i do own most of them.
you've owned most of the 30 real polyKBs that were made? wow.
must be worth a fortune..well, they were until the 'best ever' VST version was made and made them redundant
whats your opinion on Polykb so far?

or are you waiting for the dongle-free version?

my opinion on the GUI is around here somewhere, as for the sound, havent heard it yet..and wouldnt know if it was a good emualtion or not...might be a crap emulation but still sound great, no idea.

if they do a dongle free version i'll prob try it, but i cant see that hapeneing any time soon...or were you implying somethig else?

not really in the market for another synth (especially with low spec like this)

djanthonyw · Post by **djanthonyw** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:22 pm

I would love to demo it, (I just requested the demo) but I got an email saying it takes up to 3 business days for the ilok asset to be deposited!

SWAN808 · Post by **SWAN808** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:33 pm

Kriminal wrote:
SWAN808 wrote:
Kriminal wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
states wrote:as a matter of fact, i do own most of them.
you've owned most of the 30 real polyKBs that were made? wow.
must be worth a fortune..well, they were until the 'best ever' VST version was made and made them redundant
whats your opinion on Polykb so far?

or are you waiting for the dongle-free version?
my opinion on the GUI is around here somewhere, as for the sound, havent heard it yet..and wouldnt know if it was a good emualtion or not...might be a crap emulation but still sound great, no idea.

if they do a dongle free version i'll prob try it, but i cant see that hapeneing any time soon...or were you implying somethig else?

not really in the market for another synth (especially with low spec like this)

not interested and dont like the GUI. Well - thanks for your comments on this.

states · Post by **states** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:39 pm

ok.. i'm indeed comparing the PolyKB to the GForce, Arturia, SonicP and U-he stuff. and to my ears the bare oscillator sounds are incredibly fat and convincing! much closer to what an analogue machine would sound like. the truth ? yes, i have had experience with the real Kobol back in the mid to late 80's and the one thing that i do emphatically remember is the waveform sweeps. to my mind/memory & ears Xavier's emu sounds extremely close to what i remember from it ! but, you have to d/l the demo and judge for yourselves. geniune sounding or not what comes out of this contraption is imho magnificent !

goldenanalog · Post by **goldenanalog** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:13 pm

states wrote:ok.. i'm indeed comparing the PolyKB to the GForce, Arturia, SonicP and U-he stuff. and to my ears the bare oscillator sounds are incredibly fat and convincing! much closer to what an analogue machine would sound like. the truth ? yes, i have had experience with the real Kobol back in the mid to late 80's and the one thing that i do emphatically remember is the waveform sweeps. to my mind/memory & ears Xavier's emu sounds extremely close to what i remember from it ! but, you have to d/l the demo and judge for yourselves. geniune sounding or not what comes out of this contraption is imho magnificent !

Agreed!

I'm qualified to compare the PolyKB to analogs; my first analog was an Arp Axxe!

http://www.vintagesynth.com/arp/axxe.php

Owned and played a lot of keyboard instruments, I've been into hardware synths for 30+ years; the digital stuff definately just keeps getting better and better...

Speaking of which: Anybody heard the latest Waldorf Blofeld stuff? OS 1.15 was just released concurrently with 128 new patches...IMO it now gives the Virus TI platform a run for it's money.

But it took a while.

Just like software synths.

OK, specific to this topic: PolyKB compares very favorably with WOW's TimeWARP 2600, my personal soft synth watermark. It sounds really good while offering a lot of sound-design potential; it also can be 'broken' in a realistically analogish way producing all the mayhem expected from 'circuits gone wild'.

I'll leave it at that; the joy of this forum is the diversity of thought-provoking opinion!

-goldenanalog

states · Post by **states** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:44 pm

shame i don't have the TimeWARP ... i too have been using analogue synths since the very early 80's, so i do get a bit pissed when i receive the 'KVR treatment'.. come on now, this ain't the Steinberg board, so some people ought to relax a bit !

goldenanalog · Post by **goldenanalog** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:04 pm

states wrote:shame i don't have the TimeWARP ... i too have been using analogue synths since the very early 80's, so i do get a bit pissed when i receive the 'KVR treatment'.. come on now, this ain't the Steinberg board, so some people ought to relax a bit !

Hey, states!

I believe that this past Christmas, Wayoutware put Timewarp & kickAxxe on sale as a download-only bundle for a 30% discount. They may do it again this year, since I believe they did something similiar in 2008 (when I got mine....)

I would love to get your opinion on their clone....I personally think that it sounds really messy (in a good sort-of analog way).

-goldenanalog

SWAN808 · Post by **SWAN808** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:36 pm

Im a big analogue fan and have a OB8 and Moog Source myself - and I concur that the WOW timewARP is one of the best analogue emulations...only the filter aint quite got that bite and the low end is not so convincing in that low-mid thickness of analogue. But the Osc are very nice and it has some of that crazyness...really impressive what that guy achieved...I always sing its praises...
OP-X and Soniccore/Scope Minimax being the other 2 hot ones...OP-X still slightly sharp, clean and sterile-but everything about it is great-just not quite got that movement, and Minimax-wow so close-but again-not having the low-mid thump of a real Mini...I sold mine in the end...
Really keen to hear this PolyKb but left my iLok at my studio and away for the bank holiday weekend...

states · Post by **states** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:57 pm

yeah, i knew about the WoW sale but i sort of had other priorities at that time, unfortunately.. i wish i could someday get it as well ! i've heard so much about it !
as for the PolyKb... it's the second day that i'm frantically coming up with all sorts of early depeche and jarre-equinoxe' s&h and arpeggio patches !!! what an incredible and unique sounding instrument !!

SWAN808 · Post by **SWAN808** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:00 pm

great news for Mac users as previously the OP-X was the only top quality polyphonic emulation IMO but not OSX and perhaps the PolyKB will join it...and be available for Mac of course...(OP-X Reaktor version isnt so good)...

goldenanalog · Post by **goldenanalog** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:46 am

SWAN808 wrote:Im a big analogue fan and have a OB8 and Moog Source myself - and I concur that the WOW timewARP is one of the best analogue emulations...only the filter aint quite got that bite and the low end is not so convincing in that low-mid thickness of analogue. But the Osc are very nice and it has some of that crazyness...really impressive what that guy achieved...I always sing its praises...
OP-X and Soniccore/Scope Minimax being the other 2 hot ones...OP-X still slightly sharp, clean and sterile-but everything about it is great-just not quite got that movement, and Minimax-wow so close-but again-not having the low-mid thump of a real Mini...I sold mine in the end...
Really keen to hear this PolyKb but left my iLok at my studio and away for the bank holiday weekend...

Wow, Swan808! Thanks for sharing...that's what I'm talking about!

I want a Voyager; I just can't justify it, especially because I'm seeing relatively inexpensive polyphonic hardware like the Virus TI Snow and Waldorf Blofeld evolving so much....

It's friggin' awesome when a company builds (1) platform, and then sticks with it...updating it as the company figures stuff out/responds to customer feedback. That's what I really like about both Access and Waldorf.

But IMO, Voyager is the coolest-looking synth on the planet, by far...end of subject. What other keyboard offers us a choice of LED colors?

WAY classy.

Further: As much as I like Korg, what I've been seeing them doing for a while is rebuilding the Triton...I got a Classic; it doesn't sound any worse then my M3 even though Korg claims that the M3 is a 'chip' version of the Oasys.

OK.....Well......

I think that we all fall prey to marketing; and with me anyway: it's all about because I WANT to believe the hype.

So, back to a question that's at least a derivitive of the present subject: When all is said and done, is it REALLY worth 3 grand to get a Voyager as opposed to a Studiologic keyboard hooked up to a dedicated quad-core audio computer running polyKB, ACE, TimeWARP, and say: Largo?

It's funny: I've been into this %^&* for a long time; and still don't have anything approaching a definite answer.

states wrote:yeah, i knew about the WoW sale but i sort of had other priorities at that time, unfortunately.. i wish i could someday get it as well ! i've heard so much about it !
as for the PolyKb... it's the second day that i'm frantically coming up with all sorts of early depeche and jarre-equinoxe' s&h and arpeggio patches !!! what an incredible and unique sounding instrument !!

Hey, states! TW2.6K is WELL worth the price of admission IMO! I should also pass on that the version hasn't been updated in a while because it runs pretty darn stable across the board; and it needs a fair amount of horsepower while limiting polyphony because the rendering quality is so high.

But if I was forced to work JUST with the Timewarp on a synth-sound based music production, I could probably fool a lot of people into believing that I was

A.) Working with an actual analog synth; and/or

B.) Working with more then (1) thing.

I personally think it's that good; but I'll probably never have the opportunity to prove it.

-goldenanalog

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