Apple was right, Adobe get over it?

[TristezaOrange]

When it comes to design, they are without a doubt the best in the business .

When it comes to stealing design *cough* Sony *cough* and claiming it as their own, they are indeed the best in the business.

That's just a populist anti-mac-fanboy view. They didn't steal the iphone interface and they didn't steal the Macbook design from anyone in a way that everyone isn't stealing from everyone else. If that was the case, where are the products to rival them in the design stakes?

I should have added "laptop-wise", my bad.






A classic Sony design based on the Vaio X505, which that Ive guy presumably loved.

[spaceman]

A classic Sony design based on the Vaio X505, which that Ive guy presumably loved.

There's more to a laptop than what the keyboard looks like though!
Have you ever used a unibody MBP?

[robogone]

Capitalism, as very imperfect and rotten as it is, is still the best option at present percisely because as you noted above, its possible to have a choice, and excercise it by simply not buying (which is what I do).

The same is true of Communism, Socialism and Feudalism. Capitalism doesn't have a monopoly on giving people the choice to buy or not.

The range, breadth and depth of choice actually is the invention of Democracy and Capitalism (as they largely go hand in hand - "free market" - providing choice)

I didn't dispute range, breadth or depth of choice - you just said that "it's possible to have a choice and exercise it", which implies that non capitalist approaches do not.

[TristezaOrange]

A classic Sony design based on the Vaio X505, which that Ive guy presumably loved.

There's more to a laptop than what the keyboard looks like though!
Have you ever used a unibody MBP?

I have. A lot (it's not mine, but I have a Machead friend, still like him though ). I don't get what the fuss is all about. The Sony I posted pictures of is a technological marvel (go ahead, check out the specs for the Vaio Z on the Sony site), is lightweight and probably the most well-built laptop I have ever laid eyes (and hands) on and has battery to spare. It's also really expensive but so are Macs.

Of course, it also runs Windows 7, which may be a dealbreaker to you. But to me, it's another excellent feature.

[BLynx]

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[penguinfromdeep]

Yes, and Nintendo with their DS for one example more

[mellotronaut]

Capitalism, as very imperfect and rotten as it is, is still the best option at present percisely because as you noted above, its possible to have a choice, and excercise it by simply not buying (which is what I do).

The same is true of Communism, Socialism and Feudalism. Capitalism doesn't have a monopoly on giving people the choice to buy or not.

The range, breadth and depth of choice actually is the invention of Democracy and Capitalism (as they largely go hand in hand - "free market" - providing choice)

there is no free market and there never was, not even in quotation marks.
'Democracy' is a slightly overtagged expression, but what does it really mean?

[1-2-Many]

we are officially godwin'd.

Glad to be of service...

[TristezaOrange]

It's almost literally as if Microsoft turned round and barred everyone from making software for the PC which wasn't compiled directly from their C++ or C# compiler. It's that much an abuse of monopoly.

Playing the devil advocate here... but doesn't Microsoft ALREADY do that with XBox???

And Sony is even worse, you can't even develop for Playstation 3...


Is Apple the new Microsoft?

I'm pretty sure that there are cross-platform engines that allow development on both the PS3 and XBox360 at the same time. Or at least, engines that speed the process up a lot. I don't think that MS or Sony are banning those tools, which is essentially what Apple is doing in this case.

[eduardo_b]

I think Apple is getting nervous as Android pushes back on their products, with more to come from Google...including a slate that may well cause lots of problems for the church of Apple.

http://nyti.ms/dzW4xz

[whyterabbyt]

Playing the devil advocate here... but doesn't Microsoft ALREADY do that with XBox???

Not quite... middleware developers supported, not excluded...

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/dev/tools.htm

Unity supports the XBox360, for example. OTOH, despite months of preparation to be able to support the iPad, the Unity team now no longer know if they can support it, or the iPhone, pretty much overnight.

[BLynx]

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[TristezaOrange]

It's almost literally as if Microsoft turned round and barred everyone from making software for the PC which wasn't compiled directly from their C++ or C# compiler. It's that much an abuse of monopoly.

Playing the devil advocate here... but doesn't Microsoft ALREADY do that with XBox???

And Sony is even worse, you can't even develop for Playstation 3...


Is Apple the new Microsoft?

I'm pretty sure that there are cross-platform engines that allow development on both the PS3 and XBox360 at the same time. Or at least, engines that speed the process up a lot. I don't think that MS or Sony are banning those tools, which is essentially what Apple is doing in this case.

What? Pretty sure? Did you even read it?

Unless you're a major gaming company you MUST use C# (maybe VB, I don't know) on XBox 360... No C++ for you!!! And you need XNA, which is completely different from OpenGL (which is what Playstation 3 probably uses).

Did I mention you can't program for the Playstation 3 AT ALL if you're a hobbyst or indie developer...???

Basically what whyterabbit posted above. I'm not an expert on the matter (far from it) but can't eg. the Unreal Engine be used on both the PS3 and the XBox360? That's what I thought but I may be very, very wrong.

[Cap'n Spanky]

I wonder if any of this could be viewed as an anti-trust violation by Apple? They are throwing their weight around to suppress competition. Much like Microsoft did a few years ago and they eventually got in trouble.