Apple was right, Adobe get over it?

[spaceman]

Oh right I forgot. All us customers that own Apple products are exactly the same. Gee, I better go get an iPhone and an Ipad so I can fit in with my people, even though I have no use for either device.

Apparently, we have a photo of Steve on the chimney breast and we kneel and direct ourselves in the direction of Cupertino for daily prayers of thanks to our lord and messiah.

[eduardo_b]

Hang on. I have no stake in this argument because i think that all those smart phone devices are the scourge of society, the downfall of humanity and basically for people with a severe Capt. Kirk fetish, but you're doing the EXACT same thing about that graph that you're accusing me of doing with the whole jam survey/video bs you were peddling in the past, ed.

So you find comparative analysis difficult, do you. Let's see what might be different between a graphic and a detailed explanation. Oh, I think I just told you. Your analogy is not valid because the graphic comes with no information. And while you might have the right to decide what is bs, that doesn't make it true.

[spaceman]

I'm starting to think that your approval process on the AppStore would be much more strict than Apple's.

We should stay away just because you have a twisted interpretation says so?

you're the one doing the FUD game here...

Ah right. Rather than make any kind of attempt to explain the language of the agreement in some way that substantiates my interpretation being wrong, you just resort to ad hominem instead. Pathetic.

Rather than attempting to "explain the language", I gave substantial proof that some of the things you said would be prohibited (language interpreters in this case) were not rejected in a recent approval. Instead of making stupid conjectures on how Apple will conduct its business, I suggested just waiting to see how it goes.

That's not an ad hominen, that's just being sick of you spreading false facts around here.

FUD means "Fear, uncertainty, doubt", and that's exactly what you are trying to cause.

I think that your Opera example was wrong though.

[debra1rlo]

Deb, surely you know that jam and phones are very different animals and you can't make a comparison here because Apple customers are a separate species?

Don't you know anything?

Sheesh!

Oh right I forgot. All us customers that own Apple products are exactly the same. Gee, I better go get an iPhone and an Ipad so I can fit in with my people, even though I have no use for either device.

Once you buy that first Apple device you suddenly become an 'Apple customer' and you you no longer have any identity of your own and you just blindly buy any Apple product that comes on the market.

I really regret buying an iPod years ago - I haven't been able to be counted among people who are giving true opinions in surveys ever since.

You own an iPod? The horrors!
Your invitation to join Bill Gates for a scrumptious breakfast of lightly grilled, freshly clubbed baby seal and kipper omelettes has been rescinded.

[eduardo_b]

Deb, surely you know that jam and phones are very different animals and you can't make a comparison here because Apple customers are a separate species?

Don't you know anything?

Sheesh!

Oh right I forgot. All us customers that own Apple products are exactly the same. Gee, I better go get an iPhone and an Ipad so I can fit in with my people, even though I have no use for either device.

You make an art of out missing the point. And since you started this, let me note that despite all of you endless rambling about the choice studies, they remain valid. Whatever irritates you about them is your issue.

[debra1rlo]

Hang on. I have no stake in this argument because i think that all those smart phone devices are the scourge of society, the downfall of humanity and basically for people with a severe Capt. Kirk fetish, but you're doing the EXACT same thing about that graph that you're accusing me of doing with the whole jam survey/video bs you were peddling in the past, ed.

So you find comparative analysis difficult, do you. Let's see what might be different between a graphic and a detailed explanation. Oh, I think I just told you. Your analogy is not valid because the graphic comes with no information. And while you might have the right to decide what is bs, that doesn't make it true.

No, in the case of the inferences made, no data was provided, nor probably even considered, regarding sales of competing jams on other displays in the stores for the same days. And it was about buying habits - the graph was from a direct question study on something that all people asked had already bought. Two very different studies and you can't make the same conclusions from the former that you can for the latter. The data just isn't there, you have to make a LOT of inferences to come to the conclusions the researcher did. Tbh, it sounded to me like he set out to prove that there was a thing as too many choices as opposed to approaching the topic neutrally. In this case, showing me that video was the worst thing you could have shown me to prove your argument as there were holes in that study you can drive a truck through.

[robogone]

Your analogy is not valid because the graphic comes with no information.

You might want to plan a visit here:



I see information in it and I suspect others do too, even those too blind to see.

[vespers75]

FUD means "Fear, uncertainty, doubt", and that's exactly what you are trying to cause.

There is plenty of uncertainty and doubt over this shit...otherwise, this thread wouldn't even exist, now would it? Nor would the pages of search engine results you get that link to various conflicting articles on the subject, by merely using the words "Apple" and "Adobe".

Fear though? Come on, that's a bit dramatic and laughable.

[debra1rlo]

Deb, surely you know that jam and phones are very different animals and you can't make a comparison here because Apple customers are a separate species?

Don't you know anything?

Sheesh!

Oh right I forgot. All us customers that own Apple products are exactly the same. Gee, I better go get an iPhone and an Ipad so I can fit in with my people, even though I have no use for either device.

You make an art of out missing the point. And since you started this, let me note that despite all of you endless rambling about the choice studies, they remain valid. Whatever irritates you about them is your issue.

Hey, I agreed that i'd like to see more details about the study from the graph, ed, that was a valid point. But you're doing what I did, cutting down the study before you heard more about it. If I was out of line doing it before seeing more data, then you are too is all I'm saying, I'll own it if you own it too, ya know? Besides, we also know that studies about buying habits haven't always reflected real life, as the producers of New Coke and producers of countless movies that seemed like a "sure fire hit" because of test audiences will tell you.

[Goratrix]

I don't understand your statement about Apple having to catch up and breaking backwards compatibility though.

Screen resolution, for example. I had the Desire (which is 800x480) for a week now, and going back to the iPod Touch makes the Touch's screen look utterly crap. If the 4th gen iPhone changes the screen, what will be the impact to the tens of thousands of apps? If they keep the current resolution, they will be seriously lagging behind the competition. The Android market just seems to be much more flexible and innovative these days, and I expect the comparison to 80s IBM PC to turn out quite accurate. The fragmentation is a negative point, but I think Google will get hold of that with the next version.

[spaceman]

I don't understand your statement about Apple having to catch up and breaking backwards compatibility though.

Screen resolution, for example. I had the Desire (which is 800x480) for a week now, and going back to the iPod Touch makes the Touch's screen look utterly crap. If the 4th gen iPhone changes the screen, what will be the impact to the tens of thousands of apps? If they keep the current resolution, they will be seriously lagging behind the competition.

Screen size will vary on Android phones as well. I'm sure developers already take that into account. As a developer it would be a serious oversight not too, even for the iPhone.

[eduardo_b]

In this case, showing me that video was the worst thing you could have shown me to prove your argument as there were holes in that study you can drive a truck through.

That is your opinion. No matter how many times and ways you try to prove that these kinds of studies are all rubbish, it still remains your opinion and nothing more. You do hang onto it dearly though, don't you, bringing it up at any "opportunity" regardless of how irrelevant it is to the topic at hand.

[cybertron]

I don't understand your statement about Apple having to catch up and breaking backwards compatibility though.

Screen resolution, for example. I had the Desire (which is 800x480) for a week now, and going back to the iPod Touch makes the Touch's screen look utterly crap. If the 4th gen iPhone changes the screen, what will be the impact to the tens of thousands of apps? If they keep the current resolution, they will be seriously lagging behind the competition. The Android market just seems to be much more flexible and innovative these days, and I expect the comparison to 80s IBM PC to turn out quite accurate. The fragmentation is a negative point, but I think Google will get hold of that with the next version.

Ahh Jobs - still fighting the same fight, over and over and over again. I wonder if this is some personal torment hell for him he is doomed to repeat multiple times across infinite life times.....

[spaceman]

Ahh Jobs - still fighting the same fight, over and over and over again. I wonder if this is some personal torment hell for him he is doomed to repeat multiple times across infinite life times.....

What is he supposed to be fighting?

[eduardo_b]

Hey, I agreed that i'd like to see more details about the study from the graph, ed, that was a valid point. But you're doing what I did, cutting down the study before you heard more about it. If I was out of line doing it before seeing more data, then you are too is all I'm saying, I'll own it if you own it too, ya know? Besides, we also know that studies about buying habits haven't always reflected real life, as the producers of New Coke and producers of countless movies that seemed like a "sure fire hit" because of test audiences will tell you.

But I said I didn't know what to make of the graph because it lacked any context. I was observing some of the things we couldn't know from just a graph. The details for the choice studies were laid out for one to see. Yes, I get that you don't accept any of it, but there are actually many studies confirming the principles of too much choice -- which of course depends on the product category in determining what that might be. What it is for food isn't the same as for fashion.

And, the New Coke fiasco has been studied in detail, with one conclusion. Sweetness in a taste test versus sweetness in a 12-ounce can are two different things. Yeah, it was definitely a flawed methodology in a foolish attempt to take down Pepsi, when it turns out that the reason people who drink Coke prefer it is because it isn't as sweet as Pepsi. And that's certainly my reaction to the two as well, and why I don't drink Pepsi if I can avoid it.