Apple was right, Adobe get over it?

[ericj23]

Yes, it's just speculation. At this point is worth as much as anyone else's guess, I erm guess

Had a little lol -cheers

I honestly hope that it isn't about protectionism becuase apple have done wonders for the smartphone business - they are now mini computers and are more powerful than some PCs I have worked with. It would be a shame if they were more about profiteering

[spaceman]

iphone's useless camera, poor browser,..

useless camera?.. absolutely!
poor browser? come on man, it's not the best browsing experience ever but I think it's by far the best mobile browsing experience. Nokia's browser is pretty much the worst you can imagine.

[whyterabbyt]

More speculation about Apple's move to restrict development tools.
This is an interesting read:

http://stevecheney.posterous.com/the-ge ... l-platform

He does mention some interesting analogies with past moves by Apple.

The basis of that is provable nonsense; the cpu has already been proven to be an ARM.

Even despite that, the overall logic makes no sense to me. Interpreters and cross-compilation tools actually make it easier to port applications from one processor or architecture to another.

[spaceman]

The basis of that is provable nonsense; the cpu has already been proven to be an ARM.

Was was trying to find articles about that.
Do you have a link on the subject? Articles I find never say it's 100% cartain ARM.

[Goratrix]

but I think it's by far the best mobile browsing experience.

*cough* Android browser *cough*

[ericj23]

iphone's useless camera, poor browser,..

useless camera?.. absolutely!
poor browser? come on man, it's not the best browsing experience ever but I think it's by far the best mobile browsing experience. Nokia's browser is pretty much the worst you can imagine.

try the n900 - I think you'll find it's not

[spaceman]

iphone's useless camera, poor browser,..

useless camera?.. absolutely!
poor browser? come on man, it's not the best browsing experience ever but I think it's by far the best mobile browsing experience. Nokia's browser is pretty much the worst you can imagine.

try the n900 - I think you'll find it's not

Is it the same one as the N90/95?

[ericj23]

iphone's useless camera, poor browser,..

useless camera?.. absolutely!
poor browser? come on man, it's not the best browsing experience ever but I think it's by far the best mobile browsing experience. Nokia's browser is pretty much the worst you can imagine.

try the n900 - I think you'll find it's not

Is it the same one as the N90/95?

No thankfully

It is based on mozilla - who have also released forefox for the n900 - which is good but a bit slow

[whyterabbyt]

Was was trying to find articles about that.
Do you have a link on the subject? Articles I find never say it's 100% cartain ARM.

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/A4-Proce ... own/2204/1
http://www.chipworks.com/A4_is_Samsung_45nm.aspx

[spaceman]

Was was trying to find articles about that.
Do you have a link on the subject? Articles I find never say it's 100% cartain ARM.

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/A4-Proce ... own/2204/1
http://www.chipworks.com/A4_is_Samsung_45nm.aspx

cheers

[TristezaOrange]

but I think it's by far the best mobile browsing experience.

*cough* Android browser *cough*

The Dolphin browser on Android is awesome.

[mauseoleum]

[tomg]

Adobe taking Apple to court..
http://www.itworld.com/legal/104320/ado ... get-uglier

[xh3rv]

There is no forthcoming speed boost as it is jsut an ARM chip and the changes in the licence nay be about ensuring future acrchitecture changes but as many point out they go much further than is actually needed to do so. It is political posturing about preventing cross compilers allowing producers to make apps for several platforms at once - protectionism

No forthcoming speed boost might be somewhat correct, since there's nothing horrible out there performance-wise yet. But to be clear: the way a lot of these platform-agnostic tools (notably Flash, Java) tend to be implemented is very inefficient computationally - things like virtual machines, proprietary graphics layers that just stack on top of and re-implement stuff that's already there, varying degrees of JIT compilation or interpreted scripting. There's all kinds of theory about where this stuff might be headed, but really it's all been around for a decade or longer, and the theory for longer - no one's holding their breath, although in the long-term there are some interesting things that could happen. The fact is that this whole domain of platform-agnostic tools implies it's difficult or impossible to approach the efficiency of old-fashioned compiling for a specific architecture.

Additionally, any of the work to optimize efficiency here might not even be possible for Apple to do (this is the case with Flash or anything with proprietary components), and Apple simply cannot be able accountable to handle every technology in the domain (there's plenty of FOTM stuff here, always). They already have a very well-developed set of tools that are undoubtedly quite optimal for their hardware. Keep in mind for cell phones everything is a limited resource, not just CPU performance. Memory is fixed, OS-level services are limited, and a _huge_ thing is power consumption - 2 hour battery life won't fly for a cell phone. I'm quite sure the reason Apple is using a custom CPU here is almost entirely for power management. There is plenty of sense in asking developers to stick to core services that are well-designed, that Apple knows are optimal for the hardware (in fact it's probably true that the hardware was in part defined by the services).

So the purely technical argument, which has merit whether or not it's the only or real motivation here, is not about speeding up what's already there, but more about future-proofing and keeping apps native and optimized. I will again maintain that I expect Apple to back off quite a bit here as I think they'd be fine being less commanding but still clear in the way they're accomplishing this. [e] Although all this Adobe-suing-Apple rumor (seems completely fictional to me, to be honest, what legal basis is there for this? It's like a reverse monopoly) doesn't help.

[xh3rv]

Just another thought, smart phones downloading media at rates currently more typical of hardwired or fast wi-fi connections. Who is best set up for this? I think both Google and Apple have certain pieces set up, but neither has it all figured out. Of course Apple is not going to expect the web or third parties to handle any of it. Ultimately that's where this is headed, though, I think - the fact that there's a ton of physical infrastructure that goes along with this is notable as well.