IK Multimedia Xpansion Tank 2 Group Buy

[hivkorn]

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[Squids]

are there any orchestral woodwinds anywhere in here? i'm probably going to get in eventually, thinking of mostly the acoustic instruments, and see pretty much everything you could imagine... except woodwinds. there are some in omnisynth I guess, but considering that symphony strings is way beyond strings in there....

Omni covers that. For this price I think Omni is the way to go. If you REALLY want the deluxe woodwind collection I suggest getting Miroslav Philharmonik from www.esoundz.com

[MountainKing]

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esoundz: MountainKing

[barbecutie]

IK Multimedia Xpansion Tank 2 Group Buy

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[NAS]

No thoughts of conspiracy here... Just that the tool Squids uses to create that content is probably something *****IK MULTIMEDIA**** considers proprietary technology....

Fixed the quote above.

As pointed out, SR and IK are two different companies. I suspect IK supplied Squids with the conversion tool, and they would be ticked off if he made that available.

So, I think your question/complaint is best directed to IK Multimedia. SR likely has no ability to make that technology available.

A lot of companies have in house development tools that are not made public or in a form that could be released to the public. But yes of course we've had these development tools for years and sometimes they're a bit tricky to use especially on sounds created over different eras of time but anyway...

I will say though that in the future there will be some improvements in the areas of tweaking the sounds in the module itself and much more but I can't get into any of that yet. Let's just say that the SampleTank world is very much alive and will only continue to improve. I agree with many of you that this is a great way to introduce SampleTank to a lot of new people and the more people that have it the more focus it will get for the "demand" on IK... oh and yes SR and IK are two separate companies that work together in partership on many things.... not everything though. IK isn't involved with our Kontakt development or Reason or RMX or BFD... and we're not involved with IK's non-SampleTank development (apart from my sending over some of my effects collection to model! Which is just plain fun for me!!!!)

Well i can't honestly see it being too complicated a tool lets be honest here
From what i can tell files with the proper naming convention and a compiler of some sort is all that is needed

It is a shame though because at the moment i can't recommend ST to anybody without pointing out a hell of a lot of issues
There are certainly much better free samplers available so all i can do right now is recommend the sample libraries

NAS

[Teksonik]

Any word on what the esoundz bonus content will contain? Don't need a detailed sample list just an overview of what type of material will be contained.

I am still putting it together but should have a list by the end of the week. I am making it gooooood! Has to be. Right? We're the ones who made all of the sounds in this whole GB in the first place so... you can bet these are going to be on the same level but just more sounds you don't already have and that's a nice bonus!

Cool, I'm about 99% sure I'll join the group buy again this time through esoundz. Unless it's half a gig of Accordion and Flugelhorn samples and half a gig of trance loops.

Whatever it will be the quality is assured. Come to think of it I'm not sure what I'd wish for. Some more elements for use in combis,....some D50 stuff, DX7 maybe some Wavestation type stuff..................

[Squids]

Well i can't honestly see it being too complicated a tool lets be honest here
From what i can tell files with the proper naming convention and a compiler of some sort is all that is needed

It is a shame though because at the moment i can't recommend ST to anybody without pointing out a hell of a lot of issues
There are certainly much better free samplers available so all i can do right now is recommend the sample libraries

NAS

Yeah we don't really want to talk about our development tools.

[songshark]

After reading through this entire thread, I'm STILL a little confused re: content, and I would be grateful if someone (Squids/Peter?) can answer a couple questions.

I have ST XL from a previous group buy throug Esoundz from a year or two ago. How much overlap will there be with the Xpansion Tanks from this group buy to the XL content I already have? I am specifically wondering about the amount of overlap with OmniSynth.

Also, as part of that group buy I got some extra Xpansion Tanks at the time, including Symphonic Strings AND Sonic Strings (I think those were the names)and a Piano Expansion Tank. (Don't recall the exact name).

Do I understand correctly that those will pretty much overlap the Symphony Strings 2 and Piano Collection 2 from this Group Buy and, thus, those would NOT be wise choices for me. Is that right?

This seems like a good deal -- and I'm not complaining! But it seems largely targeted to new users and is a bit of a chore for someone from past group buys to figure out if it makes sense for them and, especially, how to maximize value and choose wisely. Answers to above would help me with this...thanks in advance.

[MountainKing]

I have ST XL from a previous group buy throug Esoundz from a year or two ago. How much overlap will there be with the Xpansion Tanks from this group buy to the XL content I already have? I am specifically wondering about the amount of overlap with OmniSynth.

Also, as part of that group buy I got some extra Xpansion Tanks at the time, including Symphonic Strings AND Sonic Strings (I think those were the names)and a Piano Expansion Tank. (Don't recall the exact name).

Do I understand correctly that those will pretty much overlap the Symphony Strings 2 and Piano Collection 2 from this Group Buy and, thus, those would NOT be wise choices for me. Is that right?

Same here, same questions (not Sonic Strings but Symphonic Strings, Piano Expansion and Omnisynth Expansion).






esoundz: MountainKing

[NAS]

Well i can't honestly see it being too complicated a tool lets be honest here
From what i can tell files with the proper naming convention and a compiler of some sort is all that is needed

It is a shame though because at the moment i can't recommend ST to anybody without pointing out a hell of a lot of issues
There are certainly much better free samplers available so all i can do right now is recommend the sample libraries

NAS

Well, there is no way to know how complicated the development tools are if you don't have them yourself in all reality. You can guess all you want but there's much more involved than that and I can tell you as one who has developed in this format more than any other third party company that it is in fact complex. But, I don't think it is appropriate for me to discuss proprietary development tools further on the forum if you don't mind. I also don't want to invite any conjecture either. Believe me or don't believe me that it is a complex process developing for this format. We'll leave it at that okay?

In any case, as far as how one looks at SampleTank - especially with regard to recommending it to others, SampleTank is not a sampler. It's more of a "rompler" and as more of a "sample playback sound module" - especially at this price let alone the many thousands that have sold at 10 times this price - it does what a workstation sound module should do and that is loads of layerable or multitimbral sounds with great built-in effects. It was never designed with importing, mapping and editing one's own sounds as the main focus. It can do it but it is a bit clunky in that area. No matter, where it shines is the variety of sounds, easy to use QUICK synth/fx tweaking and quick layer/multitimbral capabilities... plus it has its own "warm sound" with the analog modeled aspects of it. A bit more "vintage" to my ears than a lot of other plug-ins that playback samples through their own built-in DSP. Then of course there is this nice offering sounds to go along with it. SampleTank has its place and is a great Swiss Army Knife tool for music creation. If one was going to recommend it I think it could at least be for those reasons.

Wow didn't think you would get so uppity about it
-1 in the coolness factor there dude
50 lines of crap above or simple "Yeah we don't really want to talk about our development tools"
I cant really believe it is complex (Having nearly worked it out myself here with very very little code )

NAS

[DarkStar]

songshark, MountainKing

Your best bet is to look at the Sounds Lists on the IKMM Xpansion Tanks Multisamples page and compare the patch names listed there with those that you already have in your current products.

Then you can assess the extent of any overlap and make more informed decisions about which Xpansions are right for you. That's what I've done.

HTH.

[Stephan326]

jsp1979 lease do not change my quote I said squids and I meant squids!!!

[Chester Desmond]

I cant really believe it is complex (Having nearly worked it out myself here with very very little code )

Cool! Will you be releasing a utility of some sort when you're finished coding? I'm sure a lot of people could use something like that.

[Squids]

Okay NAS. I've edited my post. I don't think I was being uppity by the way. The two things I wanted to convey is that the in house tools we have are not designed in a way that make it easy to work with. That's all. In theory they should be... but they're not.

The other point I wanted to make (completely separate) is that often people judge SampleTank as a sampler. I was just sharing my POV on it that it isn't going to shine when judged as such in comparison with other samplers that have built-in mapping and looping editors, conversion utilities with far more features etc. But it has many other merits as a "rompler sound module workstation" as one may call it where it does shine...so if one was recommending it for its strong points, that is all I was trying to say.

That's all. No need to give me all the negative points on the coolness factor man! As always I was just trying to be straightforward and honest with you. No one said ST is perfect or that the sounds we make for it are perfect either. But, it all has some major strong points and this deal is a great one.

Alright, I have to go play some music so I'll leave it at that and hope that my friendly non-uppity counter post has set things a bit more straight on the issue. As far as discussing proprietary development tools - especially ones that aren't actually ours - I am under NDA so for more reasons than just "I don't feel like it" I have to be careful what I say on a public forum. I am sure you understand.

Have a great evening.

[NAS]

For the record i did say i recommend the soundbanks
You may say they are not perfect but at the size quality ratio i would disagree
I think they are great value

Oh another -1 in the coolness factor for proclaiming yourself uber cool hahahaha

NAS