I think autodidacticism is fine provided you are focused and thorough enough. Opinions on Fux are somewhat controversial. In my opinion, it is a good book, but noone mentioned that it is more about 16th century modal counterpoint. Sure, there are lots of similarities with the 18 century tonal counterpoint, but there are also differences. An excellent book on 18 century counterpoint is Counterpoint by Kent Kennan. If you combine this with analyzing Bach to see counterpoint in practice, it would be great.
If a music piece is contrapuntal or not is a matter of degree, it isn't just a black-and-white thing. I think many people tend to overlook the significance of studying counterpoint... It is not simply about learning a bunch of rules and a style, it is more about befriending the notes, so to speak, and bringing one's attention to the melodic and countrapuntal aspects of music, and creating a base that you can then build upon. Counterpoint is different in Medieval, Renaissance, Baroque, Classical, Romantic and modern times. It is all about the base. Having that, you can make your own compositional style with specific treatment of counterpoint, and so on...
By the way, check this out:
http://www.ars-nova.com/cp/
Can a self taught, rock musician, really make effective use of species counterpoint?
Chords, scales, harmony, melody, etc.
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Can a self taught, rock musician, really make effective use of species counterpoint?
2010-04-18T23:42:41+00:00
From what I've read elsewhere about "proper" counterpoint, it seems there are a set of mechanistic rules one can follow to derive useful counter lines/melodies from a starting point line called a Cantus Firmus.
I'd like to know more about this, starting with the Cantus Firmus. But only by a little bit at a time. A deluge of information simply wouldn't help at this stage.
I know there are rules and exercises (I'm not asking what they are here) and I know people are usually recommended to buy the Fux book or similar - or to get a teacher (I've never been able to even find one). But I'd like to just start off with a very specific question, as to what forms a Cantus Firmus can take (as I'm having problems conceptualising what it really is).
I read somewhere anything can be a Cantus Firmus, but I think another article said the cantus firmi were all predefined by Fux or whoever (which I can't really see the point of).
So is this the case, are they predefined whole note lines only? Or can you literally use anything? - Any old melodic phrase, in or from any old song or tune?
If you can roll your own so to speak, then does having uniform whole note values through out(as I've seen in Cantus Firmi examples elsewhere) have to be rigidly adhered to or can the rhythmic note length values of a cantus firmus be more flexible than that?
Thanks to anyone who might answer this.
Nickolovitch
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