Vandal perfection through simplicity

[Agreed]

Vandal does come with Samplitude 11 Pro. Samplitude is distributed by Magix who also tagged the Samplitude name onto their low budget consumer audio software for some reason I'll never understand. The Pro version costs over $1,000, but some people confuse the $50.00 software with it since they share a name. The consumer grade products are up to versions 14-15.

In any event, if the OP has Samplitude 11 and paid for Vandal, he wasted money since it's already included.

samplitude pro is 11, Samplitude 11 producer (119 bux) has Vandal le, samp pro has the full version of vandal. It's not uncommon for samp users to be an upgrade or two (sometimes more) away from current being more comfortable for their needs with what they have (they're not gas addicts like us).

It's really not that complicated if you spin counterclockwise for a minute before you try to understand it

Thanks, guys, for explaining it to me. That's a weird approach to marketing the software... I guess it shares a little in common with how AviDigidesign do Pro Tools, but I think they much more effectively differentiate between their professional and consumer versions. When I see Samplitude 11 vs Samplitude 15, my first thought definitely isn't "I'll take the one that's four versions older for a magnitude of order higher price, please." I suppose it's simple enough for people who follow DAW development but if you hadn't told me I wouldn't have grasped what's up there.

In fairness to the OP then, he did not get Vandal free with his DAW, so he could be a legitimate purchaser (in fact I would say it makes it more likely; if he bought Samplitude 15 and really liked the workflow, etc. of the software, I could see how he would then seek out the modeling software by the same company). I still think it's a little bit sketchy of a situation, but less so than before. People really do "fall in love" with software and have strong opinions of it... Even if it's all they ever talk about, months apart, in a total of four posts...

[Agreed]

--In closing I will say the only other amp sim I have is Revlaver MKII Live, which is a great host for Vandal.--

How does revalver host Vandal?

I'd thought Vandal was a VST; and that Revalver was also a VST. Is Revalver a sometime VST host?

If I recall correctly Revalver allows you to open vsts in it.

You are correct, Hink, and it's really cool that it does. Makes all those freeware vst amp and "pre-amp" heads we've seen in the past couple of years real easy to work with as far as using Revalver's IR cab module.

Especially exciting now that some bugfixes are apparently in the works. ReValver is potentially going to finally realize its potential as a very powerful platform with unique options for interfacing with your own workflow and plugin collection. I always thought that made it stand out, but that became overshadowed by the deafening silence as far as support for the product went. RTAS should have come AFTER severe bug fixing. IMO, ymmv, etc.

[pandashake]

We'll see if that update ever takes place. I thought it was supposed to be out by now. Probably on vacation with Imposcar2.

[Agreed]

We'll see if that update ever takes place. I thought it was supposed to be out by now. Probably on vacation with Imposcar2.

I just heard about it this morning, and the way it's coming out is a little odd, "beta" updates with a 1-month expiration (and a suggestion from Michael to keep your original installer on-hand). I don't know why beta patches would have an expiration on an authorized product, but I'm not the programmer. Guitar Rig 4 didn't have that kind of strange limitation before its 4.08 patch went official last weekish. Maybe it's to try and keep himself to a tight schedule... Maybe it's genuinely intended to allow users to benefit from bug fixes as they are processed. I don't quite understand why the delivery was chosen, any more than I understand why a professional and comprehensive DAW suite has a lower version number than its consumer-oriented, feature light counterpart

I guess I wouldn't make it in marketing, since some things just don't make sense to me.

[Silenceborn]

Oh, I'm sure of it. The thread started by SlientBurp was one of his few posts and prior to that he said exactly the same thing about Amplitube. It's a way to keep Vandal in the "Latest Posts" column.

Well well well, First of all I'm happy to see some other people also like Vandal which imho has the best sound quality so far. Then I just want to remind you ZC that you still did not answer my questions and also did not respond to the answeres I gave you in the previous thread, do you remember ZC ? , things about programming and so on ? . Well I advice you to go read them first, there are some good news and good lessons for you fanbois there for sure!. then you can come here and there and showoff your FANBOINESS to every1.

"But I doubt you ever had a healthy discussion experience with people around you before, as your FANBOI symptom is getting worse each and everyday, and I'm sure the AT or whatever is not the only thing you are FANBOI for,
your mentality is based on that symptom unfortunately.. I hope I could explain the point with my bad English though."

BTW Sascha already answered you in his post and I will post here again in case if your eyes have problems (it seems so as you even could not write my name properly!).

Sascha said :

"The OP's opinion:
I don't know the OP, and I haven't heard that somebody related to us started or would start an underground vandal rave. To me it simply seems someone is happy with it (which also makes me happy Smile). "

So again, grow up, stop calling yourself Fanboi or well you are free to keep wasting your time and people's time here as long as you want.

Conspiracy theoreticians are enjoying so much these days, their plan is working and too many people these days are their fan !

Good luck though !



Cheers !

[Hink]

Vandal does come with Samplitude 11 Pro. Samplitude is distributed by Magix who also tagged the Samplitude name onto their low budget consumer audio software for some reason I'll never understand. The Pro version costs over $1,000, but some people confuse the $50.00 software with it since they share a name. The consumer grade products are up to versions 14-15.

In any event, if the OP has Samplitude 11 and paid for Vandal, he wasted money since it's already included.

samplitude pro is 11, Samplitude 11 producer (119 bux) has Vandal le, samp pro has the full version of vandal. It's not uncommon for samp users to be an upgrade or two (sometimes more) away from current being more comfortable for their needs with what they have (they're not gas addicts like us).

It's really not that complicated if you spin counterclockwise for a minute before you try to understand it

Thanks, guys, for explaining it to me. That's a weird approach to marketing the software... I guess it shares a little in common with how AviDigidesign do Pro Tools, but I think they much more effectively differentiate between their professional and consumer versions. When I see Samplitude 11 vs Samplitude 15, my first thought definitely isn't "I'll take the one that's four versions older for a magnitude of order higher price, please." I suppose it's simple enough for people who follow DAW development but if you hadn't told me I wouldn't have grasped what's up there.

In fairness to the OP then, he did not get Vandal free with his DAW, so he could be a legitimate purchaser (in fact I would say it makes it more likely; if he bought Samplitude 15 and really liked the workflow, etc. of the software, I could see how he would then seek out the modeling software by the same company). I still think it's a little bit sketchy of a situation, but less so than before. People really do "fall in love" with software and have strong opinions of it... Even if it's all they ever talk about, months apart, in a total of four posts...

What you're missing is that Magix has the pro line and then had various lite versions. Samplitude 15 was actually Samplitude Music Studio 15, not part of the pro line. I would think most people looking at Samplitue products would see Samplitude MS 15 at 79 bux and Samplitude 11 Pro at 1100 bux and investigate why. But I think the MS series is being replaced by Samplitude 11 Producer.

If you look at this page and check under products you can see that indeed on the page it makes more sense

http://www.magix.com/us/

I'm not a fan of the Magix business model but it seems to have changed drastically, but if you ever try Samp pro you will probably understand why those who use it really like it. The object based workflow along with the myriad of features makes it very powerful. Vandal is not just a random sim from Samplitude, it's another Pluggin in the collection created by sascha. His AM suite contains what I think is the best pluggins to come with a host, and can be bought without samp.

The Vintage Effects Suite enhances the repertoire of Samplitude with a chorus/flanger, delay, filter and echo plug-in. CORVEX, ECOX and FILTOX are each based on the same basic handling principle: a modulator (LFO) controls almost all knobs accessible via the "frontplate" as required.

http://www.samplitude.com/en/products/p ... e.271.html

Analogue Modeling Suite
In addition to Samplitude's excellent audio effects, the Analogue Modelling Suite provides a simulation of classic analog tools.

http://www.samplitude.com/en/products/p ... e.273.html

And of course variverb

http://www.samplitude.com/en/products/p ... o.272.html

Samp 10 also brought AM-MUNITION for mastering which is a work of art, sascha's stuff is great

[Agreed]

What you're missing is that Magix has the pro line and then had various lite versions. Samplitude 15 was actually Samplitude Music Studio 15, not part of the pro line. I would think most people looking at Samplitue products would see Samplitude MS 15 at 79 bux and Samplitude 11 Pro at 1100 bux and investigate why. But I think the MS series is being replaced by Samplitude 11 Producer.

Naw, I get it now. It's not impossible to understand, just a little bit confusing up front. The product page for Samplitude 11 doesn't advertise its price prominently that I could tell, focusing instead on the features; Samplitude 14/15 on the other hand are primarily visible via online retailers AS their price, with features listed if you read further. I'm not at all trying to impinge the quality of Sascha's work, I have respect for him as a programmer. Never meant to imply anything, just express my initial confusion at the way the different versions represent different (and inverse) quality tiers rather than a linear progression as is usually the case with software. Maybe something like "Samplitude LE/SE/ME" or any other "special" notifier would help ease anyone else's confusion, or, hell, maybe I'm the only guy in the world who didn't immediately apprehend that version 11 is a product entirely separate from and quite above versions 14 and 15

[hibidy]

What's wrong with liking vandal? If someone is excited about it, good for them!

@sustainable market: Other than the fact that allot of would be guitarists would rather have a turntable these days, there are plenty of potential purchase makers out there imo.

[Cordelia]

I'm so suspicious of Magix Vandal. This KVR member has 4 posts. The others basically praise Samplitude which Vandal was originally offered with. Now this post for Vandal. Many of us are already familiar with another similar thread. I noticed another KVR member who joined on the same date as his post, just to praise Vandal. There also seem to be regular KVR members that genuinely like Vandal and that's fine, but I think there's some shennanigans going on here.

+1 The Vandal spamming is getting old.

[Franzel]

The weird thing is, that none of the 'lovers of Vandalism' have posted a single clip here, nothing but lots of elephant talk about how great it is.....

[Cordelia]

The weird thing is, that none of the 'lovers of Vandalism' have posted a single clip here, nothing but lots of elephant talk about how great it is.....

Vandalism is usually senseless.

[sascha]

I'm so suspicious of Magix Vandal. This KVR member has 4 posts. The others basically praise Samplitude which Vandal was originally offered with. Now this post for Vandal. Many of us are already familiar with another similar thread. I noticed another KVR member who joined on the same date as his post, just to praise Vandal. There also seem to be regular KVR members that genuinely like Vandal and that's fine, but I think there's some shennanigans going on here.

+1 The Vandal spamming is getting old.

Conspiracy time again?
Come on guys, please give some evidence, this is just too ridiculous.

I stated in another thread that we don't do these things, nor do we hire people for such. Especially not on kvr.
This place is simply not on the radar of 'decision-makers', as far as I see it ('k-v-what?'). When colleagues and me go here, we do it privately.
[And I can assure, I'd not let it happen otherwise, simply I can't stand such behaviour when having worked my ass of for 2 years for a product which now shall get dubious marketing. People at Magix were confident about Vandal long before I was, and now all say the product speaks for itself.]

After 9 years, I'm seriusly considering leaving this place as it's turned more and more into a kind of of Kindergarten (or am I getting old?). People complain when not the 'regulars' utter stuff, giving no chance to people who just signed up or were just monitoring this place for years without being active themselves. How many users has kvr? Take a look...

[MountainKing]

After 9 years, I'm seriusly considering leaving this place as it's turned more and more into a kind of of Kindergarten (or am I getting old?).

I hear you and can understand this!

Hope you'll stay for good.

[Cordelia]

I'm so suspicious of Magix Vandal. This KVR member has 4 posts. The others basically praise Samplitude which Vandal was originally offered with. Now this post for Vandal. Many of us are already familiar with another similar thread. I noticed another KVR member who joined on the same date as his post, just to praise Vandal. There also seem to be regular KVR members that genuinely like Vandal and that's fine, but I think there's some shennanigans going on here.

+1 The Vandal spamming is getting old.

Conspiracy time again?
Come on guys, please give some evidence, this is just too ridiculous.

I stated in another thread that we don't do these things, nor do we hire people for such. Especially not on kvr.
This place is simply not on the radar of 'decision-makers', as far as I see it ('k-v-what?'). When colleagues and me go here, we do it privately.
[And I can assure, I'd not let it happen otherwise, simply I can't stand such behaviour when having worked my ass of for 2 years for a product which now shall get dubious marketing. People at Magix were confident about Vandal long before I was, and now all say the product speaks for itself.]

After 9 years, I'm seriusly considering leaving this place as it's turned more and more into a kind of of Kindergarten (or am I getting old?). People complain when not the 'regulars' utter stuff, giving no chance to people who just signed up or were just monitoring this place for years without being active themselves. How many users has kvr? Take a look...

Oh sorry, sascha. I didn't mean to imply anything conspiratorial. The Vandal threads have been a little over the top lately is all. I'm sorry to put you in such a position- one where you have to be unhappy about good reviews.
Please stick around and try to ignore the thoughtlessness, I apologize for my negative contributions.

[strangedogs]

I'm old @ 58 and this place does sound like a room full of schoolgirls at times...