Apple was right, Adobe get over it?

[Optomadic]

HP to buy Palm… WebOS tablets on the way?

Apparently so.

[vespers75]

f**k that dude, I'll buy something I like from a company who rapes kittens, if they make a product that makes my life easier. I don't give a f**k.

[xh3rv]

It'a different interface but I can't think of a lot you can do on a ipad/iphone that I can't do on my 2003 Palm.

AAMOF the Palm does a lot they don't. Record video, record audio, take pictures, web browser, email, WiFi, GPS, built in camera, play movies, mp3s, SD slot, Mobi book reader, full function sample based sequencer, Atari-NES-Amiga-ECT.. emulators, on-screen and IR keyboards.

You say this like everything on the list is stuff that can't be done on the Apple products. That's not the case, for ... the whole list, if you ignore IR keyboards (haven't ever seen one of these in person) and allow analogous functionality like "has book reading apps" or "plays some video games". A notable exception is SD cards - it should probably be mentioned that the Palm devices have megabytes of internal storage, relative to gigabytes on the Apple devices ...

To top it off it does handwriting recognition and fit's in my shit pocket.

OK, there's functionality iPhone/iPad users don't have, inserting it in their ass.

(Just kidding, really, funny typo, couldn't pass it up).

But to be completely serious, Palm doesn't have above 3% market share in Smartphones, and is being bought out.

Honestly, the comparison is a bit too much of a reach.

[eduardo_b]

But to be completely serious, Palm doesn't have above 3% market share in Smartphones, and is being bought out.

True, only a third of iPhone's 9 percent.

[Optomadic]

OK, there's functionality iPhone/iPad users don't have, inserting it in their ass.

Dont forget ur

[eduardo_b]

OK, there's functionality iPhone/iPad users don't have, inserting it in their ass.

Dont forget ur

So that's what the "i" stands for.

[xh3rv]

But to be completely serious, Palm doesn't have above 3% market share in Smartphones, and is being bought out.

True, only a third of iPhone's 9 percent.

Depends on the definition of smart phone - 25 percent recently, ignoring the SymbianOS phones (I'm assuming it gets ignored because as far as I've seen, it's not really as web-enabled as other players), or 15 percent with.

The point is Palm is failing, not really moving any phones. To put that point in the larger context of this thread, people are looking for _excellent_ design and user experience in smart phones. Apple's rejection of Flash can be related to reasons Palm is weak in smart phones on this measure: Apple wants a very high degree of control over user experience for their platform, which so far without Flash is profitable (and high-profile); one can certainly argue Palm's user experience is nowhere near as appealing to the market.

Or at least wasn't with PalmOS - now replaced by WebOS, which uses WebKit for web browsing, which funny enough is an (open-source) Apple project. Just an interesting side note.

[hibidy]

OK, there's functionality iPhone/iPad users don't have, inserting it in their ass.

Dont forget ur

[eduardo_b]

The point is Palm is failing, not really moving any phones. To put that point in the larger context of this thread, people are looking for _excellent_ design and user experience in smart phones.

The Palm phones have gotten really good reviews and people I know who have them seem quite pleased. I think HP, which is only offering Windows mobile phones now, thinks they can leverage the Palm phones into significant market share. I can't imagine it being worth 1.2 billion USD, but they obviously feel the price it right. Palm is a perfect example of a market leader losing ground to others because their R&D became complacent. Nokia, which actually sells huge numbers of phone in the rest of the world, misread the US smartphone market. Blackberry outsells iPhones almost two to one...but...they don't have the apps that people seem to want (although I doubt even 5 percent of iPhone apps are worth the effort and/or money to acquire). Now that Verizon has decided against the Nexus, it will slow down Google's market share increase...a lucky break for Apple for the time being.

[robgxmn]

I'm by no means an Apple fanboy (currently own no Apple products, and haven't since my Apple II GS), but I thought Steve Jobs wrote an excellent open letter here:

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

[eduardo_b]

I'm by no means an Apple fanboy (currently own no Apple products, and haven't since my Apple II GS), but I thought Steve Jobs wrote an excellent open letter here:

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

I will agree that Jobs makes a good case for their no-Flash decision...now. Why did Apple wait so long to discuss this. Nonetheless, and despite the fact I have zero interest in touch screen phones, I can see the rationale for not using Flash, although I'm not sure how widely H.264 is actually used for video. Thanks for the link.

[Mr. Tunes]

to me this is all about money and some sort of pseudo-partnership that went sour in the past few years. if flash doesn't play well on mobiles, which is true, then just say that from the get-go.

but why did they have to block out flash as a program to create iphone apps? that part i dont get since it would be recompiled as C from what i know.

[UltraJv]

The problem with Apple going for HTML 5 against Flash is that HTML 5 is still being developed. Its a non existant standard so they have an issue there. Its not expected to be finalised for another 2 years and even then, maybe no one will use it or care :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5

By the time HTML 5 is available, most ipads will be in the trash.

[xh3rv]

The problem with Apple going for HTML 5 against Flash is that HTML 5 is still being developed. Its a non existant standard so they have an issue there. Its not expected to be finalised for another 2 years and even then, maybe no one will use it or care :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5

By the time HTML 5 is available, most ipads will be in the trash.

Technically it is available ... http://www.apple.com/ipad/ready-for-ipad/

HTML5 is not anything like Flash, it's pretty much HTML with some more tags. New tags just acknowledge the existence of multi-media but don't (and I doubt ever will) say anything at all about what's inside of those tags. This stuff can be pretty important since HTML is purposefully weak on formatting. But Steve Jobs talking about HTML5 relative to Flash is a little unclear - really HTML5 just addresses a specific part of what Flash did in terms of actually placing graphics in a page.

W3C approval of a standard really doesn't mean much here, it always lags behind industry implementation - it's more like they verify and clarify what industry has established, not the other way around.

HTML5 has nothing on OWL! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Ontology_Language

[xh3rv]

but why did they have to block out flash as a program to create iphone apps? that part i dont get since it would be recompiled as C from what i know.

Not really. A Flash player might be written in something in the C family, but Flash content is generic across Flash players. For something like http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Electro+Gypsy/ - it's being decoded in real time. It's not something you could run directly, maybe sort of the way one couldn't play a DAW project file on a CD player (the metaphor is a little awkward but hopefully makes sense). This ends up being problematic on mobile platforms because processing power and the electricity required to do some of this stuff is just scarce. I thought Jobs was fairly accurate discussing this, it's something that may be resolved but it's not quite there, for the iPhone at least.

Interesting that Weebl has moved to YouTube for the next Savlonic tune - http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/tiny% ... ese%20girl