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xundercover9789 · Post by **xundercover9789** » Sat May 01, 2010 1:20 am

where the tones and semitones of the persian scale go???
example
C --D--- E-- F ----G --A --B----C
--1-- 1 --1 ---1/2 --1 --1 --1/2

what chords to they form????
example
I M - IIm - IIIm - IVM - VM - VIm - VIIdism
CM Dm Em FM GM Am Bdis

Simon Posford · Post by **Simon Posford** » Sat May 01, 2010 1:30 am

Sure:
1 b2 3 4 b5 b6 7
C Db E F Gb Ab B

For to form the chords u must try to find them youreself before only with T 3 5

RyanG · Post by **RyanG** » Sat May 01, 2010 1:31 am

H WH H H W WH H

xundercover9789 · Post by **xundercover9789** » Sat May 01, 2010 1:59 am

H= 1/2note
WH- 1 and 1/2note
W- 1 note

is that correct????

RyanG · Post by **RyanG** » Sat May 01, 2010 2:05 am

xundercover9789 wrote:H= 1/2note
WH- 1 and 1/2note
W- 1 note

is that correct????

I believe so; you can find out more here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_scale

xundercover9789 · Post by **xundercover9789** » Sat May 01, 2010 4:44 pm

when i harmonize the scale i get tones y semitones

example
C D E F G A B C
1 1 1/2 1 1 1 1

well to continue harmonizing i must look for the chords they form
im gonna put an example of a chord with 4 parts
heres the formula
1 3 5 Y 7 = C E G B
now:
from C to E there 2 tones
from E to G there 1 y 1/2tones
from G to B there 2 tones

thats equal to a chord

now below
through these intervals according tell me which chord does it form??

from C to E is 2-tone, from E to G is 1tone ,from G to B is 2 and 1 / 2 tone = what chord does it form??

from C to E is 2-Tone,from E to G is 1 and 1/2tono, from G to B is 2-tone = what chord does it form??

from C to E is 1 tone, from E to G is 2y 1/2tono,from G to B is 1 tone = what chord does it form??

from C to E is 2 and 1/2 tones, from E to G is 1 tone,from G to B is 2-tone = what chord does it form??

from C to E is 2-Tone,from E to G are two tones,from G to B is 1 tone = what chord does it form??

from C to E is a tone,from E to G is two tone, from G to B is 1 and 1 / 2 tone = what chord does it form ??

xundercover9789 · Post by **xundercover9789** » Sat May 01, 2010 5:57 pm

ok ,forget about that question
now what about these notes, what chord do they form???

C E Gb B = C?

C# F A C = C#?

E Gb B Db E = E ?

F Ab C E = F?

F# B Db F = F#?

G# C E Gb = G#?

B Db F Ab = B?

Nystul · Post by **Nystul** » Sat May 01, 2010 7:22 pm

I'm not sure where you are hoping to go with this "harmonize the scale" concept. If you are planning to make an entire song based on the Persian scale using these harmonies, I think you might be a lot better off using simple drones. If you want to use the Persian scale in jazz, the context of the chord will affect how it is named.

VicDiesel · Post by **VicDiesel** » Sun May 02, 2010 8:28 pm

xundercover9789 wrote:where the tones and semitones of the persian scale go???

Lots of middle eastern music uses smaller intervals than semitones. Scales are called "maqams". See wikipedia.

what chords to they form????

Music in that part of the world is predominantly melodic. The whole orchestra plays the melody, which is developed very elaborately. I sometimes play bass with a middle eastern ensemble, and in our classical pieces I play the melody notes that fall in the rhythm that I want to play.

Of course, Persian (and other middle eastern) pop music uses western chords, even if the melody is Arabic.

We did this song on our last concert. The melody is purely in the classic Saba maqam, but the chords are western: Dm for the whole verse and Bb-F-Eb for the chorus.

Victor.

C00kie · Post by **C00kie** » Mon May 03, 2010 8:10 am

In the thread title, you wrote:can someone give me the formula of the persian scale

Alas, there's no formula.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_maqam#Intonation

The exact intonation of every maqam scale changes with the historical period, as well as the geographical region (as is the case with linguistic accents, for example). For this reason, and because it is impractical to precisely and accurately notate microtonal variations from a twelve-tone equal tempered scale, maqam scales are in practice learned orally.

xundercover9789 · Post by **xundercover9789** » Wed May 05, 2010 7:14 pm

ok i got an other question

how can i form chords from the mayor and minor blues scale ???because these scales have only some notes

ex 1 3 y 5 = D major

in other words ,which notes from the mayor and minor blues scale should i use to form chordsde

p.s. that go for the egyptian scale too

C00kie · Post by **C00kie** » Thu May 06, 2010 7:55 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentatonic_scale
The chords to use in that scale are the same as used with the usual diatonic scale.
It's just that the melody is limited to pentatonic. Just don't think too much about theoretic limitations, use the freedom of your own mind.

Km7 · Post by **Km7** » Thu May 06, 2010 12:31 pm

As Victor pointed out, there are differences in the tuning, which is crucial to get the authentic sound. Just 'rounding' it up to 12-TET isn't enough.

xundercover9789 · Post by **xundercover9789** » Thu May 06, 2010 4:15 pm

ok ,thanks but what about the eygptian scale???

Jake Jackson · Post by **Jake Jackson** » Thu May 06, 2010 6:14 pm

I don't think that there is single Persian scale, but instead many Eastern scales that use different intervals\tunings and different notes.