Plugins "calling home": what do you think about it?
- KVRian
- 669 posts since 2 Apr, 2005 from out there
Lately I've been thinking about changing DDMF's updating system such that each effect would automatically check for updates at the DDMF server at startup. This would prevent me from having to send out emails every time, half of which never arrive due to various reasons (mailboxes full, spam filters etc). Then, after a while I thought that maybe it would also be good to set up some simple anti-cracking scheme via plugin-server-interaction. Now naturally some problems could arise in this context: not everybody's workstation is online all the time, and users also might not like the idea that data like MAC-addresses are automatically sent to my server. So this poll is to find out the general opinion about these things... just to get some feedback before pursuing something that in the end nobody likes. Thanks!
- KVRian
- 1176 posts since 9 Jul, 2006 from Germany
Usually offline!
"The 'less-is-more'-guy ... he's an asshole." (Billy Decker)
- KVRAF
- 4801 posts since 1 Aug, 2005 from Warszawa, Poland
My workstation is "usually online". But there are Internet breakdowns here, so I would definitely avoid anything that requires connection to run. As for calling home for updates, I don't mind, but I'd rather prefer an e-mail.
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- KVRAF
- 1907 posts since 29 Oct, 2003

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- KVRAF
- 1724 posts since 10 Feb, 2008 from Berlin, Germany
I voted for "offline" which means, that my firewall blocks every app, which does not have to go to the internet.
I find it highly alarming, that today a lot of software goes online (without any actual need to do so), while you just don't know, what exactly it's doing there.
I've once read an article on how some games send some HUNDRETS of MB to some servers (in just a few hours), whithout you actually playing online.
So a clear "NO" to telephoning home software.
I guess some developers do that for fighting piracy ...
Well .. you can't fight piracy.
I find it highly alarming, that today a lot of software goes online (without any actual need to do so), while you just don't know, what exactly it's doing there.
I've once read an article on how some games send some HUNDRETS of MB to some servers (in just a few hours), whithout you actually playing online.
So a clear "NO" to telephoning home software.
I guess some developers do that for fighting piracy ...
Well .. you can't fight piracy.
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
- KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
- KVRAF
- 2158 posts since 11 Oct, 2007 from Almanya
Unfortunately, I throw all my money out the window for legal licenses which insanely increases the speed and terminal point of my money fluctuation... so I don't have the extra buck or two for a dedicated offline DAW, my "normal" PC will have to suffice.
But as I really buy all my licenses and don't mind owning an iLok, I couldn't care less about anything "calling home" because I have nothing to hide.
I'd be one stupid ass (=donkey, of course!) to have personal files lying around unencrypted, just like emptying the contents of your purse outside on your doorstep every night, and noone could possibly profit from my encripted personal photos or really bad songs... so wtf.
And if someone wants to know if I'm on Intel/AMD or Win/MacOS... f*ck it, tell him. I don't care.
Once again, I tend to believe that 90% of the people who are afraid of "calling home", just like with iLoks, are the ones that have something to hide.
But as I really buy all my licenses and don't mind owning an iLok, I couldn't care less about anything "calling home" because I have nothing to hide.
I'd be one stupid ass (=donkey, of course!) to have personal files lying around unencrypted, just like emptying the contents of your purse outside on your doorstep every night, and noone could possibly profit from my encripted personal photos or really bad songs... so wtf.
And if someone wants to know if I'm on Intel/AMD or Win/MacOS... f*ck it, tell him. I don't care.
Once again, I tend to believe that 90% of the people who are afraid of "calling home", just like with iLoks, are the ones that have something to hide.
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- KVRist
- 174 posts since 6 Jan, 2006
I think plugins are for music making - they shouldn't require internet connectivity (what seems like a waste of computer resources for music makers).
I also think it is a bad idea to implement some online anti-cracking procedure. Some people just wouldn't buy the product anymore, with good reason (what happens if your server goes online, the company disappears, etc.). Problems are likely to occur with such a system that make customers angry. Most important, such a system punishes only your customers; people who steal software will know where to get the product without protection. In sum, I see more to lose than to win for a company that enforces online anti-crack procedures.
I also think it is a bad idea to implement some online anti-cracking procedure. Some people just wouldn't buy the product anymore, with good reason (what happens if your server goes online, the company disappears, etc.). Problems are likely to occur with such a system that make customers angry. Most important, such a system punishes only your customers; people who steal software will know where to get the product without protection. In sum, I see more to lose than to win for a company that enforces online anti-crack procedures.
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- KVRist
- 354 posts since 17 Sep, 2005
No thanks, I don't really mind stuff calling home but I don't really see the point in plug-ins doing so. At least I've not yet seen a convincing argument in favour... I tend to keep up to date on plug-ins that interest me - obsessively checking KVR throughout the day 
Having said that, I may well not be in your target demographic - I pretty much only use freeware synths plus some payware VSTs that don't ever call home - the developer is on KVR so I can find out about new stuff easily enough (not that I expect new stuff every day, though that would be nice).
Having said that, I may well not be in your target demographic - I pretty much only use freeware synths plus some payware VSTs that don't ever call home - the developer is on KVR so I can find out about new stuff easily enough (not that I expect new stuff every day, though that would be nice).
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- KVRist
- 174 posts since 6 Jan, 2006
Sure, my computer is full of personal memories and corporate documentes that I am either forbidden to distribute or that I don't want to make public. Especially not to some corporations. Am I a bad person?caleb82 wrote:Once again, I tend to believe that 90% of the people who are afraid of "calling home", just like with iLoks, are the ones that have something to hide.
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
- KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
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- KVRist
- 354 posts since 17 Sep, 2005
I'm hiding my music... it's for the best.thecontrolcentre wrote:So everyone else in this thread has "something to hide"?caleb82 wrote:I tend to believe that 90% of the people who are afraid of "calling home", just like with iLoks, are the ones that have something to hide.
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- KVRAF
- 12235 posts since 18 Aug, 2003
I prefer to upgrade at my own pace. I might get an IIEQ update in email and not actually install it for several weeks until I'm in between projects, just in case a new version introduces a new bug/problem.
So a phoning-home system of updates would be bad in my book, unless it was an optional "check for new version" system, which would be fine.
So a phoning-home system of updates would be bad in my book, unless it was an optional "check for new version" system, which would be fine.
- KVRAF
- 14486 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Planet Earth, Somewhere
I dont' mind it doing so, IF and only IF I instruct it to do so explicitly at a specific time. That is I go to a menu item and say check for updates.
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