KVR Audio

jensa · Post by **jensa** » Thu May 06, 2010 12:14 am

Amazing work Ralph. Been a pleasure beta testing and now looking at the finished product. Magic.

Zauni · Post by **Zauni** » Thu May 06, 2010 1:39 am

dvbssman wrote:I didn't bother to download or migrate the JS2 standard kits because I assumed the JS3 standard kits offer those sounds and more. Is that a correct assumption?

Thank you for your kind words!

You can get by without the JS2 kits but they do complement the new kits and several kit mappings in JS3 use a combo of JS3 and JS2 sounds so I recommend installing both kits in JS3.

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Thu May 06, 2010 2:47 am

Zauni wrote:Aloysius: hold ALT down while turning knobs for fine control.

Thanks Ralph!

I also discovered the 'Flip Stereo' feature in the Mixer.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Thu May 06, 2010 8:47 am

Strangest thing, and it never used to happen. I decided to re-install JS2 to get ready for JS3, but now many of my drums are only coming out the left speaker. Some come out in the center or panned how they are supposed to be, but many kit pieces are only on the left side. This is in both JS2 and JS3.

Has this happened to anyone else?

Brent

Zauni · Post by **Zauni** » Thu May 06, 2010 11:02 am

koolkeys: Check 'Downmix' in the JS3 mixer and see if it fixes this. If so you must have an audio routing issue in the host. If this doesn't help, email me a saved JS3 song file with this issue and tell me one sound that is panned hard for you.

Ian B · Post by **Ian B** » Thu May 06, 2010 6:23 pm

After buying every Jamstix release blind, this time I didn't and I'm glad that's the case. I've just tried the demo and "much improved GUI" Where? Unless I downloaded the wrong thing I can't see any improvement, the colours are awful and why is the text so small on a now bigger GUI? (small/poor colour choice enough to be all but unreadable for me) Ok, I could figure out what does what and remember it and I'll persevere with the demo, but as things stand I could easily pass on J3.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Thu May 06, 2010 6:57 pm

Zauni wrote:koolkeys: Check 'Downmix' in the JS3 mixer and see if it fixes this. If so you must have an audio routing issue in the host. If this doesn't help, email me a saved JS3 song file with this issue and tell me one sound that is panned hard for you.

Thanks. Downmix was clicked, and I clicked it a couple of times and it didn't seem to work.

Then I tried to load a song preset that I had that used Metal and Jamcussion, and it asked me for my license keys for those(they were authorized with JS2 before, and everything else stayed authorized). After I did that, for some bizarre reason, everything has worked. What is strange is that the samples that wouldn't work right didn't seem to be from those. They were from the Bonzo pack and the JS3 stock kit.

Maybe it was just a glitch or something? Hard to say. I'll post back if I have further problems with it.

Brent

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Thu May 06, 2010 7:12 pm

Ian B wrote:After buying every Jamstix release blind, this time I didn't and I'm glad that's the case. I've just tried the demo and "much improved GUI" Where? Unless I downloaded the wrong thing I can't see any improvement, the colours are awful and why is the text so small on a now bigger GUI? (small/poor colour choice enough to be all but unreadable for me) Ok, I could figure out what does what and remember it and I'll persevere with the demo, but as things stand I could easily pass on J3.

I mostly agree. Maybe I've been using Jamstix so long I'm used to it, but I felt that they had a really good chance to come up with a great UI and they mostly blew it. Also I notice I hear clicks in Live 8 when the UI is up.

UI isn't about a nice skin and putting everything on the screen. Lots of thought as to how people use software (and it's hardware ancestors) needs to be considered. What features should always be visible? What should be buried a layer? Many devs I've worked with seem very focused on emulating some fake hardware look and zero time considering ergonomics.

I love what Jamstix does and I'll continue to use it, but man does it need another pass on the UI front. I'd also love if they allowed you to perform a beat via midi into an empty loop (click track for tempo) and let you use that as the seed for the jam. That would rock my world.

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Thu May 06, 2010 7:14 pm

I hate to criticize Jamstix, but I do agree that the GUI is certainly one of the things that is need of most improvement. Personally I think it has improved since version 2, but it's certainly lagging behind other software in that respect.

Other than that I have no complaints at all and think it's a great product.

leggie · Post by **leggie** » Thu May 06, 2010 7:47 pm

Whining about the GUI

Jamstix is pretty much unique in what it does much to the delight of me and many happy users

The GUI isnt that bad is it really ?? give Ralph a break! What do you do stare at the GUI instead of making beats?

Damn ive started arguing about software, time to leave KVR maybe ?

Great job Ralph ignore the whiners

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Thu May 06, 2010 7:50 pm

leggie wrote:The GUI isnt that bad is it really ?? give Ralph a break! What do you do stare at the GUI instead of making beats?

So it should never be improved? Why would the GUI be unimportant? If it's so unimportant why does it get mentioned so often?

leggie · Post by **leggie** » Thu May 06, 2010 7:57 pm

robojam wrote:
leggie wrote:The GUI isnt that bad is it really ?? give Ralph a break! What do you do stare at the GUI instead of making beats?
So it should never be improved? Why would the GUI be unimportant? If it's so unimportant why does it get mentioned so often?

Yes its important but not as important as the brain or the sound sets !!

Why it gets mentioned so much is because of those who stare at GUIs and not making music.

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Thu May 06, 2010 7:58 pm

leggie wrote:Why it gets mentioned so much is because of those who stare at GUIs and not making music.

Really? You know exactly how much music each person who would like to see an improved GUI makes?

Please enlighten us all on how much music we've made recently.

Zauni · Post by **Zauni** » Thu May 06, 2010 8:01 pm

zerocrossing wrote:I'd also love if they allowed you to perform a beat via midi into an empty loop (click track for tempo) and let you use that as the seed for the jam. That would rock my world.

You can do that as follows:

- check LEARN in the bar editor
- loop a bar on an empty part
- play drums via MIDI as needed and they should be entered in the bar editor
- stop loop and adjust notes if need be
- click 'Turn Groove Into A Style' in the bar editor menu
- part is ready to compose

You can also use this to enter just a basic kick snare pattern and after you turned it into a groove, use 'Extract From Style' in the brain menu to add hihats etc. from another groove to get a combo of JS style and your basic groove.

leggie · Post by **leggie** » Thu May 06, 2010 8:02 pm

robojam wrote:
leggie wrote:Why it gets mentioned so much is because of those who stare at GUIs and not making music.
Really? You know exactly how much music each person who would like to see an improved GUI makes?

Please enlighten us all on how much music we've made recently.

Whatever

i don't have time to post and argue or 'discuss' this with you as i have some Jamstix learning to do, i said my piece.

Jamstix is a Technological marvel

Jamstix 3!