Ichiro Toda Updates Synth1 !!!!!1.12version!!!!!!!!!

[brok landers]

when you report those kinds of things as bugs, you might want to check what the nord synthesizers do.

wouldn't help. the nords 1/2 don't have a chorus/delays at all, and they're functionally wise quite different compared to synth1, now, since the last updates. so it looks like ichiro doesn't (luckily enough) follow the limited architecture of a nordlead 1/2.
and, whichever synth might have the fx routing implemented like it is now in synth1, it still is plain wrong nevertheless (not that i even know of even one serious synth that actually has it implemented like this at all, be it hw or sw).
so, yes, it is bugs indeed, and a very basic one. ichiro has "just" accidentially connected the wrong channel of the chorus'mixer to the level slider, that's all.
i.e. the chorus' wet signal has to be connected to the level slider (the amp out of that goes to the delay), dry has to be hardwired to the delays input. he just accidentially did it the other way around.

[brok landers]

>snip< but this is not Synth1 anymore.

it's still pureley the same synth, all you had is still there exactly the way it was (exept minor improvements). if a patch sounds different now, it's a bug, which mostlikeley gets fixed. so no need to worry.

[brok landers]

ichiro,
another small feature request:
you've interpolated the modwheel -> cutoff, which is great. the modwheel -> voice amp (gain) isn't interpolated though, so you hear terrible zipper noise, when moving the modwheel. could you please interpolate (or smooth out) any relevant matrix routing in general, whatever matrix source is used?

thanks again for this terrific little gift!

[Compyfox]

>snip< but this is not Synth1 anymore.

it's still pureley the same synth, all you had is still there exactly the way it was (exept minor improvements). if a patch sounds different now, it's a bug, which mostlikeley gets fixed. so no need to worry.

Whatever you say, but to me even "small improvements" change the sound. And if I read the majority of the posts being made in here, the users want to "transform" Synth1 into a totally different beast.

I better try to grab some backups before things go downhill.

[brok landers]

>snip< but this is not Synth1 anymore.

it's still pureley the same synth, all you had is still there exactly the way it was (exept minor improvements). if a patch sounds different now, it's a bug, which mostlikeley gets fixed. so no need to worry.

Whatever you say, but to me even "small improvements" change the sound. And if I read the majority of the posts being made in here, the users want to "transform" Synth1 into a totally different beast. >snip<

i guess that will not happen. as i see it, there will be only new features and bug fixes, so that the compatibility will be always perfectly there. at least that's how i'd do it if i was ichiro. up to now everything is perfectly like it was, exept additional features and bugfixes.

however, before things are signed to get out of hand, i strongly vote for a "synth2", too, so synth1 can stay what it is. but that should be only the case if compatibility or the soundengine itself would be changed, so that patches drastically sound different. if that's not ichiros goal (which i think it isn't at all, why should it be?), then i'm just fine with synth1 being constantly updated with new features and new possibilities.

tenor is:
there are, what, 8700(!!!) patches for synth1? i think ichiro wouldn't want to break that up, does he ... i for one only know a fraction of these patches, and i also don't see any point in having 8700 patches for such a limited synth that synth1 was when these patches we're made. i'd be 100x faster by doing the patch i need right away (everyone would be), than having to browse 8700 patches ...

[3ee]

I better try to grab some backups before things go downhill.

OK, relax... I think Mr. Daichi is a reasonable man and he knows what he's doing and I don't think that things are going downhill, besides he stated almost from the begining of this topic that he wants to keep things compatible (that includes the sound character too).
Try not to think so conservative about the updates.

Because the "sound", and the cheesyness is what Synth1 got so popular in the first place.

I believe that Synth1's popularity is based on a well regarded image that took off years back when it was released as an outstanding synth compared with other software synths, a large amount of good presets keept it going as well but, over time, Synth1 got a little "rusty"... and now .... well, now it's time for updates!
So let's not get troubled about this..sit back, relax and enjoy ...The Revolution of Synth1

[Compyfox]

So what, my Kurzweil is also "rusty". Does it need a massive update? I say no.

What was important to me with Synth1 was the compatibility to newer hosts. Beyond that, it doesn't need any further options IMO.

I mean, look at it from a different angle: TAL Elektro. Also a simple two OSC synth, yet it's powerful to no end.

Does Synth1 really need to evolve into another large scale synth that covers every aspect of synthesis? Isn't Alchemy or ACE enough already?

Really, nothing revolutionary about it.


BTW:
Synth1 got popular due to three reasons:
1) Simple and easy to learn synth
2) Freeware
3) Extremely low on CPU (considering CPU technology from yesteryear)

The cheese was just additional bonus. Else it was a pretty blunt synthesizer.

[nbshif]

so.... just don't update

[brok landers]

So what, my Kurzweil is also "rusty". Does it need a massive update? I say no.

i say yes. and i'm not alone, trust me ...

What was important to me with Synth1 was the compatibility to newer hosts.

that's the least you have to worry about from now on, i assume.

Beyond that, it doesn't need any further options IMO.

good you said "IMO", as what kept me from really using synth1 was exactly that: too limited in various ways.

I mean, look at it from a different angle: TAL Elektro. Also a simple two OSC synth, yet it's powerful to no end.

only the filter is a bit more analog, feature wise it's a joke, imo. you can use it for a great fraction of typical uncluttered saw/pulse/filter sounds, but that's it. and the cpu is trough the roof compared for what it does, although it sounds better than synth1 due to the filter. but that's about it.

Does Synth1 really need to evolve into another large scale synth that covers every aspect of synthesis?

not every aspect of synthesis, by far not, noone wants that. all we want is fexibility to use the synthesis it actually has got. there's a lot you could do with it, if it would have more comprehendsive modulation capabilities, multitimbrality, etc. why waste the potential?

Isn't Alchemy or ACE enough already?

that's not even appes vs. oranges, that's apples vs. - dunno, cows?

Really, nothing revolutionary about it.

it doesn't have to be revolutionary at all. it just has to be good. and for that i don't want to be limited in a completeley unnecessary way.
and who am i to complain if the developer actually is willing to lift those boundaries???

[EvilDragon]

So what, my Kurzweil is also "rusty". Does it need a massive update? I say no.

i say yes. and i'm not alone, trust me ...

If his Kurzweil is a PC3, then you're kinda wrong

[brok landers]

So what, my Kurzweil is also "rusty". Does it need a massive update? I say no.

i say yes. and i'm not alone, trust me ...

If his Kurzweil is a PC3, then you're kinda wrong

he said "rusty", so it's likeley that it's rather a k2000, k2500 or k2600 ...

[SciFiArtMan]

Does anyone know if you can install and use 2 different versions of Synth1 at the same time, i.e. v1.11 and v1.09 (in Sonar 6PE)? And if so, is there any special procedure for accomplishing this? Thanks!

SciFiArtMan

[Rellik]

I believe that Synth1's popularity is based on a well regarded image that took off years back when it was released as an outstanding synth compared with other software synths, a large amount of good presets keept it going as well but, over time, Synth1 got a little "rusty"... and now .... well, now it's time for updates!

I can't speak for everyone, but I know I love Synth1 for its unique character. The imperfections are the sound of Synth1, and it's why I keep it around (along with low CPU use ). Particularly the gritty sound of the FM.

I'm definitely in agreement that, if I were in Ichiro's place, I would call the new updates Synth2 and develop it separately. This way both Synth1 and Synth2 can receive maintenance updates, Synth1 can maintain its backwards compatibility, and Synth2 can move forward.

I'm sure Ichiro's a smart man, but it's very easy fall into the trap of intending to "improve" something, where really you're changing the very things that people loved about it. Even simple additions can have unintended consequences and add new bugs - this is the nature of software.

[EvilDragon]

So what, my Kurzweil is also "rusty". Does it need a massive update? I say no.

i say yes. and i'm not alone, trust me ...

If his Kurzweil is a PC3, then you're kinda wrong

he said "rusty", so it's likeley that it's rather a k2000, k2500 or k2600 ...

It's still an extremely powerful machine with utterly deep synthesis engine inside!

[EvilDragon]

Does anyone know if you can install and use 2 different versions of Synth1 at the same time, i.e. v1.11 and v1.09 (in Sonar 6PE)? And if so, is there any special procedure for accomplishing this? Thanks!

SciFiArtMan

Just rename the DLLs of respective versions.