Phat warm punch (split from transparent compressor thread)

[deaf dunderkwac]

[mod edit: This was split from the thread about transparent compression, http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4095866 . This post seemed a reasonably clean place to start the split. It's not a perfect division, as some posts (such as tony's, quoted below) were partly on-topic and partly off, but 1) when it began this sub-theme didn't dominate the thread, and 2) messy: that's how life is.]

I think that KVR needs a glossary of audio terms. I mean you can google all you want for "full sound", you're not gonna find any definition. With such a glossary you'd just link to the description of the terms.
I predict that the major problem will be
-to describe with proper terms (I mean not "fuller = warmth + icecoldness")
-it's gonna generate fights as my whole point is that no one agrees on what those terms mean, that the mental image is always different. Even just "fat" alone means anything & nothing.
Maybe an urban dictionary of audio terms?

I'm still trying to figure out wtf "analog sound" means...

I always think "smeared*, random phase shifted and comb filtered " sounding

*smeared=(my definition) damaged transients information

[shogger]

I can only think of a few dynamics vst plugins that are complete bullocks. (also they've vurchally disappeared also LOL)
Most every dynamics plugin I have (includes mainly the free stuff) has a use. None suffer from clicks etc. unless I want that to happen.

Note- I rarely use a compressor for moar punch (whatever I think of as 'punch', anyways), as there are other methods available besides relying on squashing the dynamics.


carry on- sorry to derail your quest for the majical elixar

Cool. More of that please. I like it when the holy grail of analog is getting put into perspective.

And yes, I think we need a glossary of all these seemingly undefined buzz words.

Shogger

[thecontrolcentre]

the holy grail of analog

I don't think of analog like that ... it's not a "sound" I'm setting out to achieve as opposed to "digital sound". It's more a term to differentiate between digital gear and not-digital gear. It's not that analog sound is better (or worse) ... it's just different. I own and use both analog and digital gear, hardware and software. This whole analog vs digital debate is redundent. IMHO

[eytanmich123]

And yes, I think we need a glossary of all these seemingly undefined buzz words.

Shogger

+1,000,000,000,000

Just look at people answers to questions like these...

How the hell do you define :

Punch
Warmth
Analog vs digital sounding signals
Transparent
Color

etc etc...

There needs to be one place in which people will be able to HEAR what the
definition is all about. otherwise it's complete bollocks (aka "Babylon Tower")

[thecontrolcentre]

There needs to be one place in which people will be able to HEAR what the definition is all about.

Then we can all argue about whether the definition is correct or not ...

[shogger]

OK cool. I would like to talk about the good and the bad in sound processing.
Could we define some buzz words? What is punch?

Shogger

[thecontrolcentre]

What is punch?

I'll get my coat ...

[shogger]

Does that change using some compression?

[LeVzi]

seems a good place to start

ok well here is what I see it as


Punch - In terms of compression I always associated this with a kickdrum of sorts, so it "punched" through the rest of the audio, so I guess by the same meaning, the compressed audio would "punch" through or be heard better due to increased loudness from compression.


Warmth - Not sure really, I am certain this has something to do with an Analog signal, maybe from hardware units of yesteryear, but I guess it comes from introduced parts to the signal ? I dunno really.


Analog vs digital sounding signals - No idea, similar to above, the analog sound i.e from hardware units would be different to the digital, due to non physical circuits being used for digital ? Dunno really.


Transparent - Dynamics, waveshape, everything beyond the threshold sounds and looks the same after compression (Just smaller) than before it. i.e. can be seen through the compression line


Color - Some kind of EQ boosting


I'm not au faite with a lot of the terminology regarding this stuff, so thats the idiots guide, but hopefully its a starting point

[Shy]

And yes, I think we need a glossary of all these seemingly undefined buzz words.

Shogger

+1,000,000,000,000

Just look at people answers to questions like these...

How the hell do you define :

Punch
Warmth
Analog vs digital sounding signals
Transparent
Color

etc etc...

There needs to be one place in which people will be able to HEAR what the
definition is all about. otherwise it's complete bollocks (aka "Babylon Tower")

Are we that f**king pedant and dumb that we need a glossary for largely subjective terms which define sound that everyone interprets differently? Give me a break and use some common sense. You can't always fully understand everyone or think alike. Live with it. Anyone can provide samples of what they personally think of as "punchy", "transparent" or whatever, there's no need for an idiotic "glossary" with sound examples of a few people's subjective ideas of each term to wave in people's faces whenever someone writes a word in a forum. Unless of course you want to piss people off.

[LeVzi]

And yes, I think we need a glossary of all these seemingly undefined buzz words.

Shogger

+1,000,000,000,000

Just look at people answers to questions like these...

How the hell do you define :

Punch
Warmth
Analog vs digital sounding signals
Transparent
Color

etc etc...

There needs to be one place in which people will be able to HEAR what the
definition is all about. otherwise it's complete bollocks (aka "Babylon Tower")

Are we that f**king pedant and dumb that we need a glossary for largely subjective terms which define sound that everyone interprets differently? Give me a break and use some common sense. You can't always fully understand everyone or think alike. Live with it. Anyone can provide samples of what they personally think of as "punchy", "transparent" or whatever, there's no need for an idiotic "glossary" with sound examples of a few people's subjective ideas of each term to wave in people's faces whenever someone writes a word in a forum. Unless of course you want to piss people off.

What was the point in that ? Wind your neck in, there will be people who benefit from this as a rule of thumb. Keep it constructive or do the best thing you can, and jog on.

[Shy]

Too bad you can't see my point. I think it's pretty damn clear.

[thecontrolcentre]

there will be people who benefit from this as a rule of thumb.

I think you're way off ... it's just another thing to argue about, instead of using said equipment to make music.

[LOSER]

Too bad you can't see my point. I think it's pretty damn clear.

Your point is people define largely subjective terms differently, so we shouldn't even try to understand each other when participating in a discussion based on these terms, right?

[shogger]

there will be people who benefit from this as a rule of thumb.

I think you're way off ... it's just another thing to argue about, instead of using said equipment to make music.

You mean that's what this forum is for? Making music? Do you mean that it's more cool for us all to blah around while being so subjective that no one really knows what we're talking about? Would that increase our coolness factor? Maybe, but some people sometimes want to learn a few things every now and then.
I'd rather have 10 audios of various people with some explanations why that now is "insertbuzzwordhere" and have that as a thing I can relate to than to see over and over and over the same old questions asked and not agreed upon.

Shogger