she's a maniac...maanniaacc
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- KVRist
- 100 posts since 21 Mar, 2010
stumbled onto this old-school song, and i like one part in it i guess the hook/chorus where there is some sort of organ-type sound or something building up.
It starts at 1:03, what chord progression is that? how does that go?
Also, if you could tell me what kind of sound that is, that would be a great bonus.
any help appreciated.
It starts at 1:03, what chord progression is that? how does that go?
Also, if you could tell me what kind of sound that is, that would be a great bonus.
any help appreciated.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 100 posts since 21 Mar, 2010
here is a better audio
starts at 0:13 seconds
starts at 0:13 seconds
- KVRAF
- 13755 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Seattle
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 100 posts since 21 Mar, 2010
my main concern is that chord progression that plays in the hook/chorus....it's....awesome
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 100 posts since 21 Mar, 2010
wow.....does ANYONE on this forum know any music theory.
i was hoping i could get the answer to this
i was hoping i could get the answer to this
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- KVRian
- 543 posts since 24 Jul, 2008 from a small city in a small country in the antipodes
ok, appears to be in Ebminor. I'll write it in Em coz its easier
intro riff is over C, D, Em x2 but u prob worked that out.
C/E , A7/E , Em#7 , Em9#7 , Cadd9 , D/C, C6add9, Em/B , B (only half a bar each of those last 2)
repeat
A7 , B aug , C , Em/B, B7
here's the triads, notes low to high for that first sequence. the first, lowest note is the bass note, play a couple of octaves down from the other 3.
E G C E
E G C# E
E G B D#
E G D# F#
C E G D
C F# A D
C G A D
B E G B
B D# F# B
the only other chord I havent explained is B augemented, which is B B D# G
if you prefer it in the original key, drop everything a semitone.
intro riff is over C, D, Em x2 but u prob worked that out.
C/E , A7/E , Em#7 , Em9#7 , Cadd9 , D/C, C6add9, Em/B , B (only half a bar each of those last 2)
repeat
A7 , B aug , C , Em/B, B7
here's the triads, notes low to high for that first sequence. the first, lowest note is the bass note, play a couple of octaves down from the other 3.
E G C E
E G C# E
E G B D#
E G D# F#
C E G D
C F# A D
C G A D
B E G B
B D# F# B
the only other chord I havent explained is B augemented, which is B B D# G
if you prefer it in the original key, drop everything a semitone.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 100 posts since 21 Mar, 2010
uh, ok, i am very confused.
I'm basicically only know the "basics" of music theory, i have no idea what Cadd means or
pretty much all of that
i do know scales, and the basic chords though, but if it has a 9 after it, i'm pretty confused, unless your talking about a 9th chord? like a 7th chord but a 9th
and are you sure we're talking about the same song?
I'm pretty sure that the "build up" synthy type thing that starts at 0:13 is
(played fast )
left hand - B, C#, D#
right hand - B, C#, A# ( or Bflat ), F#
i'm not sure about the organ fast thingy that i was tlaking about, but in b major it pretty much sounds like
(right hand), F#, D#, the third note i'm not sure but i think it might be A#, then it switches up or something like it goes down, but i cannot replicate this for jack-shit.
This is an extremely difficult chord progression, and worse is that it's going so fast.
if i didn't mention it already, i'm playing in B major.
I'm basicically only know the "basics" of music theory, i have no idea what Cadd means or
C/E , A7/E , Em#7 , Em9#7 , Cadd9 , D/C, C6add9, Em/B , B (only half a bar each of those last 2)
pretty much all of that
i do know scales, and the basic chords though, but if it has a 9 after it, i'm pretty confused, unless your talking about a 9th chord? like a 7th chord but a 9th
and are you sure we're talking about the same song?
I'm pretty sure that the "build up" synthy type thing that starts at 0:13 is
(played fast )
left hand - B, C#, D#
right hand - B, C#, A# ( or Bflat ), F#
i'm not sure about the organ fast thingy that i was tlaking about, but in b major it pretty much sounds like
(right hand), F#, D#, the third note i'm not sure but i think it might be A#, then it switches up or something like it goes down, but i cannot replicate this for jack-shit.
This is an extremely difficult chord progression, and worse is that it's going so fast.
if i didn't mention it already, i'm playing in B major.
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- KVRist
- 166 posts since 11 Apr, 2010
If it's Cadd9 there is no 7th. If it is C(9) it is taken as C7(9).Majestic290 wrote: i do know scales, and the basic chords though, but if it has a 9 after it, i'm pretty confused, unless your talking about a 9th chord? like a 7th chord but a 9th
With the exception of 'add' numbers 9 and up go in brackets. So Cm7,9,11 would never be written; it would be shown as Cm7(9,11)
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 100 posts since 21 Mar, 2010
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ok, this is all i want to know, what is the chord progression at 0:13 NOT ANY other part, just that chorus part where there is a fast playing organy/synth type in the background at 0:13, the chorus.
ok, this is all i want to know, what is the chord progression at 0:13 NOT ANY other part, just that chorus part where there is a fast playing organy/synth type in the background at 0:13, the chorus.
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- KVRist
- 140 posts since 20 May, 2005
Actually, Someone Called Simon seemed to nail that progression really well.
I'd like to try to explain the chord progression. You have it in the key of D#mi, with the first 3 chords B, C#, and D#mi, correct?
So the next group of chords is 1) B/D#, 2) D#mi6, 3) D#mi(maj)7, and 4) D#mi(maj)9. This is the case of a progression that stays on the same chord, but makes slight variations within the chord.
1) B/D# can be thought of as a regular D#mi, but with the note C replacing the fifth(A#). Sometimes this chord is called D#mi(#5) because the fifth of the chord A# has been raised by one half-note.
2)now we have D#mi6. This is how I'd label this chord, even though technically the 5th isn't being played. This is still the chord symbol that u'd probably see. Again, it is a simple D#mi, but it contains the note B# (or C) as well. All that is happening is that the note B in the previous chord is moving up to B# (C). Everything else stays the same. (This kind of thing is called a line progression.) Think James Bond theme-- mi chord to mi(#5) to mi6, Its basically the exact same thing going on over here.
3)D#mi(maj)7 is a fancy way of writing a D#mi with an added C double sharp (also known as D). Its your fault for choosing this key, that's why we have to deal with these enharmonics like C double sharp.
Although I'm assuming that's the key the song is in, right? Anyway, again you have a basic D#mi triad, but this time you are adding the major 7th to the chord. So the B from the first chord moved to B# (C) and now to C double sharp (D). Remember, these are just little variations to the basic D#mi triad.
4) Finally we have a D#mi(maj)9 chord. You mention you are unfamiliar with 9 chords. Basically, every chord really extends much farther than you may initially learn. They go all the way to 13!
So for example, a C major chord. If you extend it by adding a B you get Cmaj7. (Hope you are still with me.
) Now, if you extend it again by adding a D, you get a Cmaj9. Now, you can extend it further by adding an F#, and now your 6 part chord is called Cmaj9(#11). And finally, you can extend it once more by adding an A, and you get Cmaj13(#11).
But you don't have to play all of these notes at once. You can choose to play just one or more of these extensions. So for example you could play a C triad with a D. This is what is meant by C(add9). Because you are adding the 9th of the chord. But in this case, you are not adding the 7th. (C-D-E-G). in other words, all these notes are valid parts of a C chord, when fully extended, so you can add any of them to a C chord (the notes B, the seventh, D, the ninth, F#, the raised eleventh, and A, the 13, also known as the 6).
But all that is for major chords. Each type of chord has different "extensions". So one way of extending minor chords is by adding the major 7, followed by the 9th, 11th , and 13th. In the key of D#mi, the major 7th is C double sharp (D) and the ninth is E# (F). Again, just a D#mi triad with some "friends", namely the C double sharp and E# notes.
That's all for now! If you'd like , i can keep going, but i want to make sure this is helpful for you.
One more point-- when a major chord gets to Cmaj7 and beyond, you can no longer get away with just the C. You must write Cmaj7, because C7 indicates a dominant chord, not a major 7. So a dominant 9 chord would be C9, but a major 9 chord (with the 7th) would be Cmaj9.
I'd like to try to explain the chord progression. You have it in the key of D#mi, with the first 3 chords B, C#, and D#mi, correct?
So the next group of chords is 1) B/D#, 2) D#mi6, 3) D#mi(maj)7, and 4) D#mi(maj)9. This is the case of a progression that stays on the same chord, but makes slight variations within the chord.
1) B/D# can be thought of as a regular D#mi, but with the note C replacing the fifth(A#). Sometimes this chord is called D#mi(#5) because the fifth of the chord A# has been raised by one half-note.
2)now we have D#mi6. This is how I'd label this chord, even though technically the 5th isn't being played. This is still the chord symbol that u'd probably see. Again, it is a simple D#mi, but it contains the note B# (or C) as well. All that is happening is that the note B in the previous chord is moving up to B# (C). Everything else stays the same. (This kind of thing is called a line progression.) Think James Bond theme-- mi chord to mi(#5) to mi6, Its basically the exact same thing going on over here.
3)D#mi(maj)7 is a fancy way of writing a D#mi with an added C double sharp (also known as D). Its your fault for choosing this key, that's why we have to deal with these enharmonics like C double sharp.
4) Finally we have a D#mi(maj)9 chord. You mention you are unfamiliar with 9 chords. Basically, every chord really extends much farther than you may initially learn. They go all the way to 13!
So for example, a C major chord. If you extend it by adding a B you get Cmaj7. (Hope you are still with me.
But you don't have to play all of these notes at once. You can choose to play just one or more of these extensions. So for example you could play a C triad with a D. This is what is meant by C(add9). Because you are adding the 9th of the chord. But in this case, you are not adding the 7th. (C-D-E-G). in other words, all these notes are valid parts of a C chord, when fully extended, so you can add any of them to a C chord (the notes B, the seventh, D, the ninth, F#, the raised eleventh, and A, the 13, also known as the 6).
But all that is for major chords. Each type of chord has different "extensions". So one way of extending minor chords is by adding the major 7, followed by the 9th, 11th , and 13th. In the key of D#mi, the major 7th is C double sharp (D) and the ninth is E# (F). Again, just a D#mi triad with some "friends", namely the C double sharp and E# notes.
That's all for now! If you'd like , i can keep going, but i want to make sure this is helpful for you.
This would probably be written as Cmi11, because by writing that, it is understood that all the lower extensions are included (7 and 9). Also you'd prob write C9 instead of C7(9). Unless the 9 is flatted or raised, then u'd write C7(b9) or C7(#9). also, many ppl do write C(add9) in brackets. So i guess the "add" is the difference, that you are only adding the 9 to the chord, nothing else.With the exception of 'add' numbers 9 and up go in brackets. So Cm7,9,11 would never be written; it would be shown as Cm7(9,11)
One more point-- when a major chord gets to Cmaj7 and beyond, you can no longer get away with just the C. You must write Cmaj7, because C7 indicates a dominant chord, not a major 7. So a dominant 9 chord would be C9, but a major 9 chord (with the 7th) would be Cmaj9.
Sam
- KVRAF
- 13755 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Seattle
I appreciated ALL of it (fwiw)sammy24 wrote:Well i just finished writing this thesis, and you only want to know the first 3 chords?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 100 posts since 21 Mar, 2010
starts at 0:13, like some kind of synth mechanical strings or something, then it stops at 0:25. You ONLY hear this part during the hook/chorus. 0:13 - 0:25
THAT melody/chord progression, yes, i've been saying this since the beginning of the thread, everyone seems to think i'm talking about everything EXCEPT that part.
THAT melody/chord progression, yes, i've been saying this since the beginning of the thread, everyone seems to think i'm talking about everything EXCEPT that part.
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- KVRian
- 543 posts since 24 Jul, 2008 from a small city in a small country in the antipodes
what, you only wanted the simple little bit? You're pretty demanding for someone expecting people to help for no particular reason or reward.
I told you the simple bit first. C, D, Em. if you want it in D#m, its B, C#, D#m. repeat. thats all the chords are. So I told you, see? now why dont you play around with a keyboard, ears and fingers and workout the melody/arpeggios that are played over that. I could do it off the top of my head, but I'm not gonna.
I told you the simple bit first. C, D, Em. if you want it in D#m, its B, C#, D#m. repeat. thats all the chords are. So I told you, see? now why dont you play around with a keyboard, ears and fingers and workout the melody/arpeggios that are played over that. I could do it off the top of my head, but I'm not gonna.
