Best amp sim for midrange "bluesy" long sustain w/o distortion?

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guitarzan wrote:I've got a pair of ToneRider Rebel 90 humbucker sized Alnico II P90's that I've been putting off installing in my SG for over a year because I ended up liking my stock 490's way more than I thought I would - but I've got to get all the soldering crap out anyway so I think it's time. How am I going to like P90's for blues rock? I like the neck Gibson 490 but not so much bridge 490 - how are P90's in the bridge position? Neck position?
You're probably gonna love them.
Personally I'm a big P-90 fan myself, especially in mahogany or alder bodies.
Most P-90s I've owned so far were A5, resulting in that aggressive, honky Stones crunch over Fender style amps and fat '70s hard rock tone over a Marshall.
Check out this incredible example:


Recently I put some handwound A2 David Barfuss P-90s in my LP Special and they're absolute keepers, very articulate, a bit more mellow, more blues or 60s Steve Cropper than Stones when using a Fender.
Still, with a treble booster they can shake the walls. :-o

Ymmv, but I don't think so :wink: ,
susiwong

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guitarzan wrote:I've got a pair of ToneRider Rebel 90 humbucker sized Alnico II P90's that I've been putting off installing in my SG for over a year because I ended up liking my stock 490's way more than I thought I would - but I've got to get all the soldering crap out anyway so I think it's time. How am I going to like P90's for blues rock? I like the neck Gibson 490 but not so much bridge 490 - how are P90's in the bridge position? Neck position?
Isn't the 498T the usuall complement to 490R?

490T is too weak.

P90 are best for neck in my taste.

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guitarzan wrote:I've got a pair of ToneRider Rebel 90 humbucker sized Alnico II P90's that I've been putting off installing in my SG for over a year because I ended up liking my stock 490's way more than I thought I would - but I've got to get all the soldering crap out anyway so I think it's time. How am I going to like P90's for blues rock? I like the neck Gibson 490 but not so much bridge 490 - how are P90's in the bridge position? Neck position?
More bite but more noise. On a SG model agressive attitude wise and visceral - you might want to adjust your tonestack with a little treble or presence roll-off :)

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susiwong wrote:
guitarzan wrote:I've got a pair of ToneRider Rebel 90 humbucker sized Alnico II P90's that I've been putting off installing in my SG for over a year because I ended up liking my stock 490's way more than I thought I would - but I've got to get all the soldering crap out anyway so I think it's time. How am I going to like P90's for blues rock? I like the neck Gibson 490 but not so much bridge 490 - how are P90's in the bridge position? Neck position?
You're probably gonna love them.
Personally I'm a big P-90 fan myself, especially in mahogany or alder bodies.
Most P-90s I've owned so far were A5, resulting in that aggressive, honky Stones crunch over Fender style amps and fat '70s hard rock tone over a Marshall.
Check out this incredible example:


Recently I put some handwound A2 David Barfuss P-90s in my LP Special and they're absolute keepers, very articulate, a bit more mellow, more blues or 60s Steve Cropper than Stones when using a Fender.
Still, with a treble booster they can shake the walls. :-o

Ymmv, but I don't think so :wink: ,
susiwong

Report back how you like them !
That is a sweet example/ +1 from me :D

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Thanks, susiwong! I chose the A2 ToneRiders just because I liked the A2 490R stock pickup so much - A2 really does "sing"! Yeah - this is my first Gibson - usually more of a Fender/Danelectro guy but this SG was just so light and resonant I couldn't pass it by....think I'm really going to like it with the big fat single coils on it!!
lfm wrote:Isn't the 498T the usuall complement to 490R?

490T is too weak.

P90 are best for neck in my taste.
Yeah, I think that is a common pair - 490R and 498T - but mine has a 490T...I guess it is a little weak, has to be raised way up for balance, but then it has some cool characteristics I guess....I usually prefer neck pickups anyway.

I guess I'll go ahead and install both P90's sometime this weekend (if possible - forgot it's Memorial Day weekend :dog: ). I already have a Les Trem Stop-Tailpiece Tremolo installed, so it's going to be kind of unique....like a super resonant mahogany surf/rockabilly/blues/rock machine...kind of odd but I bet it'll be loads of fun! :party:

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NEKRO.MACHINE wrote:More bite but more noise. On a SG model agressive attitude wise and visceral - you might want to adjust your tonestack with a little treble or presence roll-off :)
Thanks! Should these work OK with the stock volume and tone controls and caps that were on the guitar for the 490 humbuckers? I haven't really given that much thought yet....do P90's usually use the same pots and caps as humbuckers?

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NEKRO.MACHINE wrote:More bite but more noise.
True, that's the only downside. But the Toneriders are RW/RP anyway afaik which gives you at least one usable setting under extreme circumstances. Normally with 2m to 3m distance between you and the amp you should have no issues anyway.
Cheers,
susiwong

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guitarzan wrote:Should these work OK with the stock volume and tone controls and caps that were on the guitar for the 490 humbuckers? I haven't really given that much thought yet....do P90's usually use the same pots and caps as humbuckers?
Tone pots shouldn't make much of a difference, both 250k and 500k volumes should be fine, the 500ks being brighter, possibly better suited to A2s. Experiment, but first try the stock ones (300k ?).
Ymmv,
susiwong

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susiwong wrote:
guitarzan wrote:Should these work OK with the stock volume and tone controls and caps that were on the guitar for the 490 humbuckers? I haven't really given that much thought yet....do P90's usually use the same pots and caps as humbuckers?
Tone pots shouldn't make much of a difference, both 250k and 500k volumes should be fine, the 500ks being brighter, possibly better suited to A2s. Experiment, but first try the stock ones (300k ?).
Ymmv,
susiwong
Thanks again, to all! I should be all set now!

Yeah, that Delbert McClinton example does sound great! :tu:

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Looking forward to hearing how it turns out also guitarzan mate, im a firm 'bucker man myself, i still dig other flavours though. I only mentioned the noise issue due to it being the only possible problem i can think of that could be a pest - but it is very simple to avoid like susiwong said or if you getting too much noise then their are a few noise-suppressors out thier which will sort it out

all the best to you and your SG tweaks :)

Dean

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