Orange Tree Samples

tiptronic · Post by **tiptronic** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:55 pm

Are there any Evolution Guitar MIDI demos out there, which show how the various demos were produced? I personally find it easier to learn, if there's something to investigate

thx

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:04 pm

I'll see what I can do in terms of rounding up some demo MIDI files. I think the video tutorials will be more useful, though, since they'll basically show how to create guitar tracks from scratch.

tiptronic · Post by **tiptronic** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:15 pm

Thx for the super-fast reply. Video tutorials would be helpful as well, but I couldn't find some either... Do you have a link handy?

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:26 pm

Although it's not really a tutorial, this video might give you a few ideas in terms of playability. The patches used are listed in the video, too:

tiptronic · Post by **tiptronic** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:39 pm

OK - that's no the kind of 'tutorial' I meant

I was thinking along the lines of i.e. a MIDI-file and maybe a screencast showing the setup (keyswitches, controllers, etc...) in the software.

This would tremendously help getting something nice out of the pack.

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:49 pm

tiptronic wrote: I was thinking along the lines of i.e. a MIDI-file and maybe a screencast showing the setup (keyswitches, controllers, etc...) in the software.

This would tremendously help getting something nice out of the pack.

That's exactly what I have in mind--a screencast type of video showing how to create guitar tracks from scratch.

I usually start out from one of the existing presets and then modify it as needed--for example, if I need squeals on a patch that doesn't have them, I'll figure out where I want them mapping--on a keyswitch, controller, or velocity, etc.

tiptronic · Post by **tiptronic** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:02 pm

Hehe... I guess my problem already starts a little earlier - I never used Kontakt, so it is not really obvious, what's meant i.e. by 'interface view', 'layer', etc... in Evolution's user guide. So any basic starter documentation would be much appreciated.

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:29 pm

tiptronic wrote:Hehe... I guess my problem already starts a little earlier - I never used Kontakt, so it is not really obvious, what's meant i.e. by 'interface view', 'layer', etc... in Evolution's user guide. So any basic starter documentation would be much appreciated.

Ahhh--sure! I'll keep that in mind when I'm making the screencasts, so you can see me actually starting the project from scratch--not simply loading up a template.

tiptronic · Post by **tiptronic** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:46 pm

Maybe you can give me a quick hint, how I can get the thing running?

- In the meantime I found out how to play chords and some rhythm-patterns, but I can't get some nice tones out of the Lead-patches. I was under the impression, that I can load the patches into Kontakt and start playing (but that seems to be wrong). What I get is a variation of over-sustained or muted tones.

Sorry, if this questions sound dumb, but I'm lost, as I don't know where to start and what is needed to play

What are the *required* steps to play a solo here?

And: After a while Kontakt Player stops working and says: 'Demo mode' and shows an 'Activate' button. But what can I activate?

Any hint - or better: step-by-step instruction appreciated.

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:34 pm

tiptronic wrote:Maybe you can give me a quick hint, how I can get the thing running?

- In the meantime I found out how to play chords and some rhythm-patterns, but I can't get some nice tones out of the Lead-patches. I was under the impression, that I can load the patches into Kontakt and start playing (but that seems to be wrong). What I get is a variation of over-sustained or muted tones.

Sorry, if this questions sound dumb, but I'm lost, as I don't know where to start and what is needed to play

What are the *required* steps to play a solo here?

Try the "shredding lead" patch--that's one of my favorites. Each patch has a different articulation mapping ideal for different styles of music.

You should also use an amp sim or guitar effects. There are some nice free ones out there such as FreeAmp 3, and anything by AcmeBarGig: http://www.acmebargig.com

tiptronic wrote:And: After a while Kontakt Player stops working and says: 'Demo mode' and shows an 'Activate' button. But what can I activate?

Any hint - or better: step-by-step instruction appreciated.

The Kontakt Player is only able to play 3rd party libraries (so libraries which do not come bundled with the player) for around 15 minutes at a time. You need the full retail version of KONTAKT 2, 3, or 4 in order to use Orange Tree Samples products without the time limit.

The crossgrade price from the Kontakt Player to the full version of Kontakt is currently 50% off, so it's a great deal.

However, if you're not interested in buying Kontakt, please PM me or email me so we can work something out.

tman2k (Meathook Audio) · Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:47 pm

Gregjazz wrote:
tiptronic wrote:And: After a while Kontakt Player stops working and says: 'Demo mode' and shows an 'Activate' button. But what can I activate?

Any hint - or better: step-by-step instruction appreciated.
The Kontakt Player is only able to play 3rd party libraries (so libraries which do not come bundled with the player) for around 15 minutes at a time. You need the full retail version of KONTAKT 2, 3, or 4 in order to use Orange Tree Samples products without the time limit.

The crossgrade price from the Kontakt Player to the full version of Kontakt is currently 50% off, so it's a great deal.

However, if you would like a full refund of your Orange Tree Samples Group Buy order, please PM me or email me.

Hello Tiptronic,

I posted a fairly cheap way to get the full version of Kontakt. If you already have a 3rd party library that is authorized to use the Kontakt Player (ie, does not time out) then you qualify for the crossgrade price for Kontakt (which is $139.50 USD). See here for details:

http://www.native-instruments.com/index ... directed=1

If you don't have a Kontakt Player library, you can purchase Infinite Player from eSoundz (Sonic Reality) for $50 here:

http://www.esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=2459

It has been confirmed in other threads that it qualifies for the crossgrade (plus you get a free 300MB C7 grand piano sampleset with the Infinite Player).

So you can end up getting the full version of Kontakt 4 for $189.50! A great deal!

Musical Gym · Post by **Musical Gym** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:27 pm

Gregjazz wrote: ... if you're not interested in buying Kontakt, please PM me or email me so we can work something out.

brain freeze....sorry
inadvertent senior moment

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:39 pm

Musical Gym wrote: Hi, Greg. It looks like it will be a long while before I can purchase Kontakt even with the special going on, so I'd be interested in any other workable solutions/suggestions regarding working something out. I'm unclear as to what that could be.

Oh, I'm sorry for the confusion, I guess I didn't explain myself clearly--I was talking about the original poster, since he purchased a copy of Evolution Electric Guitar - Strawberry without realizing that it requires the full version of KONTAKT to run without time restriction.

You're on the beta testing team, so the final release copy is yours to keep.

tiptronic · Post by **tiptronic** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:58 pm

Hi Greg,

I am going for the esoundz-option (always better to have the 'full thing™' anyway

).

So one part of the problem is solved (as soon as I got the plugin and I am able to activate it - and then purchase Kontakt...).

Btw: Terry, I put tman2k into esoundz referral field, so you are prepared to start a business over there

So thanks everybody for their help so far - now I just need to find out how to play.

Greg: I didn't know you need a separate guitar engine to play (that's why I said in the beginning of this thread, a screencast from step 0 would be great). It's no problem, since I own GuitarRig, Amplitube, etc..., but I am still unclear how to add these to the Kontakt 4 player. I couldn't find any option to do so. Maybe I'll try with MainStage - or how do you guys check out new stuff without loading your full Logic or Digital Performer?

BTW: I like the responsiveness of this forum pretty much - so thanks again.

Cheers

andy

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:13 pm

tiptronic wrote: Greg: I didn't know you need a separate guitar engine to play (that's why I said in the beginning of this thread, a screencast from step 0 would be great). It's no problem, since I own GuitarRig, Amplitube, etc..., but I am still unclear how to add these to the Kontakt 4 player. I couldn't find any option to do so. Maybe I'll try with MainStage - or how do you guys check out new stuff without loading your full Logic or Digital Performer?

The guitar is sampled straight from the output of the guitar, so it's very versatile--you can apply any kind of effects on it to achieve a lot of different tones. Like I said, there are many excellent free guitar effects out there, too.

I'll be sure to start from step 0 in the screencast tutorials so you can get a good idea of how to approach writing guitar tracks for your compositions.