When Are We Going To See Logic/Garageband On The iPad?

[ModuLR]

Ive never seen an app force you to use one onscreen control at a time.

Of course you've never seen an app not force you to use one onscreen control at a time... because you have no choice but to use one control. Sure you can bolt a multi touch screen on top of Windows 7, but if the programs themselves are not coded for multiple touch event handlers, you get no multi touch. Instead, you get a mouse app, where you can use your finger as the mouse. So no, FL would likely be far from optimal, while something like Usine could make use of all interface possibilities.

Legacy Support
Let's assume you already have an existing application with a large install base. You might ask yourself, what will be my users multitouch experience when running the application on a Windows 7 multitouch-enabled computer? The good news is that the Windows 7 Multitouch Platform provides a free out-of-the-box experience for applications that are touch-unaware and were not designed to support multitouch. Specifically, it provides free, out-of-the-box support for a few basic gestures. In other words, you can expect a few basic gestures to work and to have the desired effect in your application. Basic gestures include single finger or two fingers panning, two fingers zoom, and flick gestures that were introduced in the Windows Vista time frame.

does that make sense yet?

As for grasping at straws, some people havnt done thier homework and dont know what the ipad is or what issues it currently has.

really? I own an iPad. I use it and understand how it works.

[curt1lp]

[bM3w]

[TristezaOrange]

"I'll buy anything if it's shiny and made by Apple".

I also love the Sudoku Killer line at the end of the video.

[brambos]

Yeah.. that's a classic - so full of win.

Especially the predictive text: "The aardvark admitted its fault".

[grymmjack]

I personally adore my ipad and will be eating up and buying any music software worth while. I would love to see reason 3 or so on it, but right now I'm ok using the ipad as an instrument recording the output in realtime or bouncing. There is wayyyy to much fun to be had IMO.

I bought yesterday a few more apps in fact for music making, and they are all fun.

One person said it already ; it's not the specs or the capabilities that grab you as a user it's the most natural and symbiotic way to compute for creative pursuits IMO. I just need to know how to touch and thats it. Anyone can do it.

The ipad catches he'll because it is an equalizer device and a lot of people in the industries don't want you to be equal. Part of the magic IMO is the natural interactions that do not require thought or dexterity. The human hand is a very precise tool that we are all experts using. A mouse cannot come close and it's a mental disconnection as it's not doing anything directly on the machine itself but to a desk and off to the side. We had to learn the mouse. No one has to learn touch.

Touch isn't perfect for many things but as a designer and developer myself it's fascinating to watch things evolve to make the hard things simple. The distance and obstacles between the human and the machine are being narrowed and overcome.

I'm a die hard mouse and keyboarder as well but i'm also not so stubborn or proud to see the advantages of touch; immediacy and spontaneous thoughtless interface on the human level.

It's difficult to explain but something happens when you use it for a while. A special contract is forged between yourself and the device that I can't articulate and wasn't aware of until I discted the experience after it was done for a night.

It's a great time to be a geek!

[koalaboy]

Just to clarify the history somewhat: http://www.billbuxton.com/multitouchOverview.html

If nothing else, Apple have bought multitouch input/display to the mass market. If you don't think this is important, then ask yourself why so many people have been researching it for all these years.

As for the OP, I don't believe we will see (or should see) many DAWs as we know them. However, we will hopefully see many more apps like Aurora - http://www.4pockets.com/aurora/hd.php

[grymmjack]

I personally adore my ipad and will be eating up and buying any music software worth while. I would love to see reason 3 or so on it, but right now I'm ok using the ipad as an instrument recording the output in realtime or bouncing. There is wayyyy to much fun to be had IMO.

I bought yesterday a few more apps in fact for music making, and they are all fun.

One person said it already ; it's not the specs or the capabilities that grab you as a user it's the most natural and symbiotic way to compute for creative pursuits IMO. I just need to know how to touch and thats it. Anyone can do it.

The ipad catches he'll because it is an equalizer device and a lot of people in the industries don't want you to be equal. Part of the magic IMO is the natural interactions that do not require thought or dexterity. The human hand is a very precise tool that we are all experts using. A mouse cannot come close and it's a mental disconnection as it's not doing anything directly on the machine itself but to a desk and off to the side. We had to learn the mouse. No one has to learn touch.

Touch isn't perfect for many things but as a designer and developer myself it's fascinating to watch things evolve to make the hard things simple. The distance and obstacles between the human and the machine are being narrowed and overcome.

I'm a die hard mouse and keyboarder as well but i'm also not so stubborn or proud to see the advantages of touch; immediacy and spontaneous thoughtless interface on the human level.

It's difficult to explain but something happens when you use it for a while. A special contract is forged between yourself and the device that I can't articulate and wasn't aware of until I discted the experience after it was done for a night.

It's a great time to be a geek!

[pc999]

Its just like the Apple Mac - its an alternative but not superior to PC. Apple are being investiagted for unfair trading - exactly what happened to M$ years ago. Hardly surprising is it? Its all about choice, you refused to acknowledge that other devices came before ipad. Apple make u very blinkered dont they?

Actually I had never owned or even plan to own a Apple product, I have some dislike for elitist things.


Still iPad is a different product from those windows tablets, and unlike those people actually find them useful.


I mean even today we are getting cancelled plan of windows tablets from even MS and a few others. Even Intel new atom like CPUs dont run windows.

If windows is actually as good as a iPad (or other planned tablets) I think there would be more commitment from company's as there is many how would like to have it and use as a iPad.


All I am saying is that Apple did it different and got a great result with it, and people are actually using it to produce things, creative content. Althought the later is more a merit of the developers of apps.

So, Microsoft are the true innovators of GUI-driven OSes then?

Actually I am a bit young to answer that , but as far as I know from PC history (which is not much), yes.

I can be quite wrong, I dont claim any knowledge on the matter.

BTW now tell me why isnt it possible to have a FL lite on a iPad like. You just need to create a litle demand on it.

Go say that you would like of a FL lite for a inexpensive webOS/symbian/... on their foruns. It will probably be a popular topic and make them consider it.

Properlehead is already doing nice things for iphone/ipad. SonomaWireWorks too.

[UltraJv]

Its just like the Apple Mac - its an alternative but not superior to PC. Apple are being investiagted for unfair trading - exactly what happened to M$ years ago. Hardly surprising is it? Its all about choice, you refused to acknowledge that other devices came before ipad. Apple make u very blinkered dont they?

Actually I had never owned or even plan to own a Apple product, I have some dislike for elitist things.


Still iPad is a different product from those windows tablets, and unlike those people actually find them useful.


I mean even today we are getting cancelled plan of windows tablets from even MS and a few others. Even Intel new atom like CPUs dont run windows.

If windows is actually as good as a iPad (or other planned tablets) I think there would be more commitment from company's as there is many how would like to have it and use as a iPad.


All I am saying is that Apple did it different and got a great result with it, and people are actually using it to produce things, creative content. Althought the later is more a merit of the developers of apps.

So, Microsoft are the true innovators of GUI-driven OSes then?

Actually I am a bit young to answer that , but as far as I know from PC history (which is not much), yes.

I can be quite wrong, I dont claim any knowledge on the matter.

BTW now tell me why isnt it possible to have a FL lite on a iPad like. You just need to create a litle demand on it.

Go say that you would like of a FL lite for a inexpensive webOS/symbian/... on their foruns. It will probably be a popular topic and make them consider it.

Properlehead is already doing nice things for iphone/ipad. SonomaWireWorks too.

Again - a distorted view on market share. Apple are still a minority product. Microsoft still have the majority of the market, theres nothing they can learn from Apple. In fact, Apple are going to court for unfair trading, something that happened to Microsoft years ago - Apple still have stuff to learn. They had to be forced by law to "not exclude liability for faulty or mis-described goods" As they were denying issues with products and misleading people :


http://www.oft.gov.uk/news-and-updates/ ... 009/136-09

[pc999]

Again - a distoted view on market share. Apple are still a minority product. Microsoft still have the majority of the market, theres nothing they can learn from Apple. In fact, Apple are going to court for unfair trading, something that happened to Microsoft years ago - Apple still have stuff to learn.

If you speak of Windows vs Mac in general then it does have and probably will always have as Apple trademark is making products for a few, for a elite, that is incompatible with a big market share. A given that Apple shares almost worth as much as MS and have a much much bigger profit margins I guess they want to keep that way.

Plus windows is popular because people need either Windows or Mac, and the second is out of reach for most.

If I had DAW+VST and a few games I would be a happier Linux user.



If you speak on the tablets/slates market I dont know how many windows tablets are, but I could bet that the iPad does have the biggest market share. Even being on the market for less than 3 months.

They even sell more iPads than Macs at this time.

[UltraJv]

Again - a distoted view on market share. Apple are still a minority product. Microsoft still have the majority of the market, theres nothing they can learn from Apple. In fact, Apple are going to court for unfair trading, something that happened to Microsoft years ago - Apple still have stuff to learn.

If you speak of Windows vs Mac in general then it does have and probably will always have as Apple trademark is making products for a few, for a elite, that is incompatible with a big market share. A given that Apple shares almost worth as much as MS and have a much much bigger profit margins I guess they want to keep that way.

Plus windows is popular because people need either Windows or Mac, and the second is out of reach for most.

If I had DAW+VST and a few games I would be a happier Linux user.



If you speak on the tablets/slates market I dont know how many windows tablets are, but I could bet that the iPad does have the biggest market share. Even being on the market for less than 3 months.

They even sell more iPads than Macs at this time.

No one is forcing you to use M$. You can use Linux or Mac OSX
Each choice has its pros and cons. You say youd rather use Linux - go ahead, we both know why you dont as youve already said its not well supported for DAW work. I also looked at ipad for general stuff but IMHO it dosnt offer me any REAL advantage over my netbook. Things like multitouch will be seen to be gimmicks down the line. Stabbing/dragging awkwardly at the screen with 2 or 3 fingers isnt why its selling. Touch screen stuff is ok though. Its selling because it looks cool. Nothing wrong with that if tahts what you want

[Dewaine]

@grymmjack.... I do know what you mean.... I was actually against touchscreens and the iPad. I tried a touchscreen HP and thought it was silly, I was much quicker with a mouse. My wife wanted an iPad, and I played with one in the store and thought I would give one a try. I got it with the intent of trying it for a week and then returning it.... Almost 3 months later and I enjoy using it more than ever....

The responsive and smooth screen is just a joy to use. I also have (yes I know this is weird) a "connection" with the device that I have not had since my Commodore 64 back in the 80's.

[pc999]

No one is forcing you to use M$. You can use Linux or Mac OSX

Actually I am being forced .


I cant afford a Mac and I cant have the software that I NEED on Linux.


Is windows or spend my life without the good programs that I like and in some cases NEED.


Sure you have some replacements and as far as I know some of them are quite good, even open source ones. But there is in places where the available software is well behind, in features and usability. Wine is not a good solution unless you know a lot of Linux.

Plus you can buy a good amount of software if you dont need to buy windows.

Each choice has its pros and cons. You say youd rather use Linux - go ahead, we both know why you dont as youve already said its not well supported for DAW work. I also looked at ipad for general stuff but IMHO it dosnt offer me any REAL advantage over my netbook. Things like multitouch will be seen to be gimmicks down the line. Stabbing/dragging awkwardly at the screen with 2 or 3 fingers isnt why its selling. Touch screen stuff is ok though. Its selling because it looks cool. Nothing wrong with that if tahts what you want

Just because it isnt useful for you it doesnt mean it is a gimmick.

That is just what people said about Nintendo Wii or even DS, today everyone is doing the same things.

[UltraJv]

No one is forcing you to use M$. You can use Linux or Mac OSX

Actually I am being forced .


I cant afford a Mac and I cant have the software that I NEED on Linux.


Is windows or spend my life without the good programs that I like and in some cases NEED.


Sure you have some replacements and as far as I know some of them are quite good, even open source ones. But there is in places where the available software is well behind, in features and usability. Wine is not a good solution unless you know a lot of Linux.

Plus you can buy a good amount of software if you dont need to buy windows.

Each choice has its pros and cons. You say youd rather use Linux - go ahead, we both know why you dont as youve already said its not well supported for DAW work. I also looked at ipad for general stuff but IMHO it dosnt offer me any REAL advantage over my netbook. Things like multitouch will be seen to be gimmicks down the line. Stabbing/dragging awkwardly at the screen with 2 or 3 fingers isnt why its selling. Touch screen stuff is ok though. Its selling because it looks cool. Nothing wrong with that if tahts what you want

Just because it isnt useful for you it doesnt mean it is a gimmick.

That is just what people said about Nintendo Wii or even DS, today everyone is doing the same things.

The wii is using something similar to gesture technology. That is being further developed and will be useful for exactly the opposite reason of multitiouch - it frees you from contact with the screen. That will be much more useful in time to come. Touch technology is everywhere, has been for years. Its multitouch that dosnt cut the mustard.