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xxx4rcade · Post by **xxx4rcade** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:50 am

While the "major scale" is: Tone, Tone, Semitone, Tone, Tone, Tone, Semitone. And the chords are: Major, Minor, Minor, Major, Major, Minor, and Diminished.

What would the three different versions of the "minor scale" be?

Ogg Vorbis · Post by **Ogg Vorbis** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:37 am

xxx4rcade wrote:While the "major scale" is: Tone, Tone, Semitone, Tone, Tone, Tone, Semitone. And the chords are: Major, Minor, Minor, Major, Major, Minor, and Diminished.

What would the three different versions of the "minor scale" be?

The laughing emoticon seems to be saying, "Do my homework for me, sucker! ha ha ha ha!"

xxx4rcade · Post by **xxx4rcade** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:44 am

Nope. The laughing "emoticon" expresses how pathetic it seems of me to keep looking at books, over and over, and not finding a thing.

Edit: I looked on Google, Wikipedia, and Yahoo! Answers too. I could not find a valid answer to this problem.

japut_99 · Post by **japut_99** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:54 am

harmonic 1 2 flat3 4 5 flat 6 7
melodic 1 2 flat3 4 5 6 7
natural 1 2 flat3 4 5 flat6 flat 7

Ogg Vorbis · Post by **Ogg Vorbis** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:55 am

Here's some wikipoodle thingie...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_scale

xxx4rcade · Post by **xxx4rcade** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:02 am

I looked at that Wikipedia link but could not find much -- I will keep looking at it until I understand.

Thank you both.

Ogg Vorbis · Post by **Ogg Vorbis** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:07 am

Here is a hint...

The three forms (I assume) you are looking for are:

Natural Minor

Harmonic Minor

Melodic Minor

The natural minor follows the key signature. C Minor would have three flats, Bb, Eb and Ab. So the C minor scale would follow that.

The harmonic minor raises the 7th degree of the scale. (Why does it do that? So that there is a strong leading tone to the starting key again)

How does the Melodic Minor work? What alterations of the Natural Minor are there? What "problems" does the melodic minor seem to "solve?"

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:22 am

I can't make sense of this.

From your first post you seem to be speaking in diatonic terms. Sorry if I'm just muddying things up.......

xxx4rcade · Post by **xxx4rcade** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:40 am

From your first post you seem to be speaking in diatonic terms.

Uhm, I'm not sure what that means. I'm just looking for help in writing my "trance"-based music.

And having an understanding of the "minor scale" will allow me to explore like I do with the "major scale". [...] But it's quite different from the major scale! I will adapt. I like how the KVR Audio Community has people think about it -- I remember seeing a persons pm, it said "Have a person mix, he'll mix for a day. Have a person think about it, he'll mix for a lifetime." Something along the lines of that. And it's true.

And no, I'm not stoned.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:02 am

xxx4rcade wrote:
From your first post you seem to be speaking in diatonic terms.
Uhm, I'm not sure what that means. I'm just looking for help in writing my "trance"-based music. And having an understanding of the "minor scale" will allow me to explore like I do with the "major scale". [...] But it's quite different from the major scale! I will adapt. I like how the KVR Audio Community has people think about it -- I remember seeing a persons pm, it said "Have a person mix, he'll mix for a day. Have a person think about it, he'll mix for a lifetime." Something along the lines of that. And it's true.

And no, I'm not stoned.

Ok, well think of these three scales then:

dorian
phrygian
aolian

I'll be more than happy to go deeper about it later.

xxx4rcade · Post by **xxx4rcade** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:21 am

Ok, well think of these three scales then:

dorian
phrygian
aolian

I'll be more than happy to go deeper about it later.

Please do. It'll help us all so much.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:06 am

xxx4rcade wrote:
Ok, well think of these three scales then:

dorian
phrygian
aolian

I'll be more than happy to go deeper about it later.
Please do. It'll help us all so much.

First, diatonic means that the notes played are not out of key. If I go by your first post, you already seem to grasp that idea (. Those three minor scales (or modes) are simply a different arrangement of the same notes.

Ionian: The major scale you outlined
Dorian: The same notes, but starting on the second degree
Phrygian: You guessed it, the same notes but starting on the third degree

So Lydian, Mixolydian, Aolian, and the Locrian.

Is this making any sense?

xxx4rcade · Post by **xxx4rcade** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:17 am

First, diatonic means that the notes played are not out of key. If I go by your first post, you already seem to grasp that idea (. Those three minor scales (or modes) are simply a different arrangement of the same notes.

Ionian: The major scale you outlined
Dorian: The same notes, but starting on the second degree
Phrygian: You guessed it, the same notes but starting on the third degree

So Lydian, Mixolydian, Aolian, and the Locrian.

Is this making any sense?

[...] But what's a "Degree"? I'm thinking about what it'd be but my guesses I'm sure are 100% incorrect. This is explained very well. I just need more knowledge about what a "Degree" is.

Please continue.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:31 am

You'll forgive but I'm a little lost.

Do you mean like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degree_%28music%29

xxx4rcade · Post by **xxx4rcade** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:41 am

hibidy wrote:You'll forgive but I'm a little lost.

Do you mean like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degree_%28music%29

I'm beginning to love Wikipedia.

So a I, IV, V chord progression would be a:

1st Degree,
4th Degree,
5th Degree,

Chord Progression?

Ionian: The major scale you outlined
Dorian: The same notes, but starting on the second degree
Phrygian: You guessed it, the same notes but starting on the third degree

[...] Things are starting to make much more sense now! Keep going.

You would be paid for telling me all of this if I could afford it.

But "Knowledge is priceless." because it'll open up a whole world of new ideas for people!

The three "different" minor scales